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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
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#4546 of 5378 Re: BMW repurchased my 2008 335i due to HPFP [rfl]
Feb 01, 2010 (9:27 am)
I certainly understand and agree on your conerns about safety. It's sad that BMW has allowed this to occur for so long from the very beginning of production way back in 2006 till today. I've read posts on m3post.com of people with 09's and even 2010 335s..with HPFP failures. I told the BMW representative in October of 2009, that I'd be willing to keep the 335 if they redesigned the fuel pump propperly. Her response was that the pump was already re-designed, and I've already recieved the new pump during replacement of the last failed pump. That was troubling since, this newly designed pump was failing ..as it was showing tell tale signs with 3-4 second crank times, just a few weeks after installation. Furthermore, she said that she knew not of any plans that BMW will be implementing a new re-design attempt. So, I don't believe BMW has solved the fuel pump failures yet...and I don't think they plan on it. This is probably the last year or two for this generation 3 series and I bet/hope BMW wants to address/eliminate the problem in the new generation 3.
I personally, would not buy a 135,335, or 535(09 or earlier)..all of wich have the fuel pump problem and would have reservations of leasing them due to safety concerns you pointed out. It's a shame.
Just wondering, I've wondered why some people get the failure and others don't. Some believe it is fuel grade/quality. I'm not sure about this since I don't take note of which gas station I use, but always put in the required 91 octane or higher. Maybe it's driver style? I personally drive some-what aggressively; meaning I redline often to hear her scream. I also like to pull hard in lower gears while on a slope to feel her torque in action. I wonder if the pump fails for drivers like myself who drive hard and wont fail for less agressive drivers. How do you drive? It might just be random failures due to tolerance variation.
Anyway, good luck and keep the community posted on your progress.
#4547 of 5378 Re: When to replace 2006 330xi battery? [Firebird_EOU]
Feb 02, 2010 (9:46 am)
I drive about 80 highway miles 5 or more days a week. My factory battery went strong up to ~130K miles (roughly 6 years). Then one morning... nothing. I agree with load-testing, I think most of the chain auto-parts places will do it for free.
#4548 of 5378 Re: N.A. treated me very fairly--no legal innuendo [ursamajor]
Feb 02, 2010 (10:37 am)
Someone up there was watching over us in both of the "catastrophic" incidents. The first time on the Florida Turnpike I was in the right hand lane doing about 80 with trucks wizzing by on the left when she crapped out. I was seven miles from a large BMW dealer and was able to get the car started again and with RPMs at 1200, I limped there (taking over an hour to do so) at about 20 miles per hour using the shoulder. Fortunately I was able to easily pull onto the shoulder as the car slowly came to a halt and stalled without being rear-ended. Light traffic, thank heaven. The second failure occured in local traffic and I was able to limp into a driveway and then restart and "drive" the car several miles to my own dealer. The latest one occured on another hi speed highway at about 65 miles per hour. This time HE was watching again and I was within about 1000 yards of an off ramp which (you won't believe this) led directly into the driveway of my very own BMW dealer. Poetic don't you think.
They replaced the pump AGAIN and I drove her home this morning and put her in the garage NEVER TO BE DRIVEN BY ME AGAIN. My Dealer's SM assured me that he had contacted the BMW rep and I could expect a (most probably affirmative) response within 24 hours. Their plan is to "take me out of the car" (it's leased with 9 months to go). We haven't talked about replacement or $$....but I assume that they will do right by me (it's my 6th Beemer). If not- Pennsylvania law is VERY CLEAR on the subject and they (BMW) have already declared the car a lemon. I don't think they want to deal with this problem openly (as in court).
Stay tuned...I will keep the forum in the loop. P.S. thinking about the 328XI or, more probably an X3 since it has a little more guts than the 328.
#4549 of 5378 Re: N.A. treated me very fairly--no legal innuendo [rfl]
Feb 09, 2010 (10:51 am)
It's very smooth and easy to lemon. I declared my intent to lemon my 335i and BMW quickly handled the situation. I love BMW customer service, just worry about their cars.
#4550 of 5378 It's a Lemon...no doubt about it- and BMW agrees!
Feb 09, 2010 (11:07 am)
BMW has verbally "accepted" the lemonization of the car and we have spoken about a settlement that "seems" to be close to ok with me. Lots of help from my dealer who is working with me. Not surprising since I have told him if the settlement is acceptable that I will buy another BMW (this time an X3) since it has a nice inline 6 engine with 260 hp which is more than the 328 but just a bit lower than the n54 engine with the turbos on the 335. This type of deal actually has a name...it's called a "trade assist". That's when they put up some $$ in effect greatly discounting the new car as a settlement. I too love their Customer Service attitude...only a shame that they don't own up to this piece of junk of fuel pump and FIX IT. I'd love another 335XI...but not so long as they refuse to scrap this part and replace it with one that works....not just extend the warranty. I've come too close to getting creamed on two occasions to EVER trust this engine again. It sits in my garage pending the arrival of the new car. My only problem is that this has taken over a week so far to finally resolve and last night I got Customer Relations involved. My dealer won't let me near his contact at BMW.....Next step is an e-mail to Jim O'Donnell (pres. of BMWNA). I hate the thought of having to litigate this but my downside risk is minimal with only 9 lease payments now left. Hopefully they will stand up and be counted (as they usually do). And do it promptly.
#4551 of 5378 Same no-hassle experience for me, also--2008 335xi
Feb 09, 2010 (11:16 am)
Glad to read about your miraculous escapes from danger. I think if someone died as a result of this problem, the NHTSA would order a recall. BMW does not want a Toyota-like public relations disaster. I phoned N.A. about January 4th, when I had just had my second HPFP replaced within approx. 12 months. I received three subsequent calls, the last one to confirm retiring my lease, with all payments being refunded, including the registration fee of $ 499 just paid to the CA DMV. There will be a reduction in payments to me for the prorated use up to the time of the initial HPFP failure based upon a statutory usage of 120,000 miles. Since I had driven only 6000miles at the time of the first HPFP failure the deduction will be just over $ 2000. And I will have to fix any "excess wear and tear." My lease has 11 months to go. I am ordering a 2011 328xi--it's too late to order a 2010--but be forewarned that the lease rates are currently quite high. I am hoping that once the car arrives, around the end of April, the money factor and perhaps some dealer incentives will reduce the monthly payment.
#4552 of 5378 Re: When to replace 2006 330xi battery? [kominsky]
Feb 10, 2010 (6:17 pm)
When you changed battery do you have to re-enter any security code for Sat. radio to work?
I used to have Sears Auto Center change battery when I had an Acura, I don't know if that'll do for 330xi?
#4553 of 5378 Any reports of HPFP issues on the X3?
Feb 14, 2010 (10:31 am)
I'm in the midst of negotiating a "lemon" settlement with BMW on my 335XI (3 HPFP REPLACEMENTS in the last 26 months(20k miles). I won't buy another car with the n54 engine but have been reading some earlier posts and it seems that there have been similar "limping" fuel issues in the 328 as well. Anybody have any experience with the issue on the X3 with the 260 hp inline 6 (2010 model)? I'd settle for one of these in the settlement if the engine does not have similar issues. I believe it is the same power plant that was in my 2006 330XI...if that's the case...that's an ok engine.(I think!?)
Thanks for any help and direction in this regard.
P.S. The decision makers at BMW will not talk directly with you regarding these issues. Apparently, and I quote Customer Relations: "they are not equippped for face time with customers". I kid you not. Customer Relations was akin to talking to a chair. They referred the issue back to my servicing dealer who is dealing with the "unnamed" guy at BMWNA. Two and a half weeks and counting. Tomorrow is supposed to be decision day...if no answer coming from BMW then we're off to the Lemon Lawyers. And, if Toyota thinks they have a public relations nightmare on their hands...wait until they muster the guard against BMW.
#4554 of 5378 service engine soon light
Feb 15, 2010 (12:01 pm)
I own a 2004 325i w/60K. the light just came on strady orange. I run the car on regular gas and have replaced the air cleaner w/the lifetime after market type. Would any of these issues be contributing factors and what are the typical problems associated w/this light coming on?
#4555 of 5378 Re: service engine soon light [mylesr]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 15, 2010 (1:38 pm)
By "aftermarket" I presume you mean like a K&N or some such "free-flow" filter?
If that's the case, yeah, that could screw up your MAF sensor or throttle body.
You'd best check the trouble codes to see if in fact the error points to the MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor. If it does, you've got nothing to lose by cleaning it with a "sensor safe" cleaner. A new MAF is expensive.
And throw that K&N filter away--it's just going to mess things up, and it does nothing substantial on its own, as a drop-in device, for performance or power.