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#4029 of 5349 2000 328 Ci sudden death
Dec 06, 2008 (11:41 am)
A strange thing happened to my 2000 328 Ci yesterday. It was in the airport garage for a couple of days, in cold weather (10 F when I picked it up). It fired right up and I backed out of the stall. Then as I was shifting into 1st it suddenly died. It cranked fine but wouldn't restart, and showed no signs of even a sputter. I called my local dealer's service techs to see if they had any ideas, since I have owned the car for only 2 months and thought they might have some ideas e.g. need to press the accelerator in cold weather. They said no, don't press the accelerator, and it was too warm for gas line freeze. I had been driving the car for several days on the last fill-up, so I doubt it's bad gas. They said it might be the fuel pump or something else that could not be remedied by my sitting in the garage, so I had to have it towed into the dealer.
I have not experienced this kind of sudden death in 35 years of car ownership. Any ideas from the BMW experts out there?
#4030 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 06, 2008 (12:30 pm)
Something so sudden does sound like electrical---you might get out the ol' owners manual and read up on how to check your fuses for the fuel pump, etc.
But even if you find a blown fuse and replace it, the car still needs to go in to find out why the fuse blew in the first place.
#4031 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [Mr_Shiftright]
Dec 06, 2008 (1:32 pm)
Unfortunately I don't carry spare fuses. Maybe I should buy a set?
#4032 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 06, 2008 (4:08 pm)
But of course.
There should be one/some in the fuse box though. BMW isn't cheaping out that badly, are they?
#4033 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
Dec 08, 2008 (9:37 am)
Update: It was the fuel pump. $940 estimate to replace (not as if I have a choice, as it is sitting dead at the dealer's shop).
All those who would like to say "I told you so!" for buying a nine-year-old E46 with 68,000 miles are now free to do so.
I will be dumping this car at my first reasonable opportunity to get something more practical. It's a fun car to drive, but not that much fun that it's worth at least $1000 whenever a mechanic touches it.
#4034 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
Dec 08, 2008 (9:53 am)
Me thinks that you got taken a bit. Why? Well, to buy a new OEM pump will run you $199, and I'm thinking that the installation shouldn't cost but another $150 or so at a reputable shop.
The fact is, fuel pumps fail from time-to-time no matter who built the car, and they aren't cheap regardless of the vehicle you're buying them for. Contrast the cost of the fuel pump for your 328ci ($199) to the replacement for my 2003 Grand Caravan ($234), a Mazda3 ($774), an Infiniti G35 ($629), or even a lowly Toyota Corolla ($514). Long story short, before you make a rash decision, do a little research on competent independent shops in your area that specialize in BMWs, and then call them to find out what they would have charged for the fuel pump replacement.
#4035 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Dec 08, 2008 (9:56 am)
That's a lot of money for the fuel pump I think but I realize that you don't have the time to search for deals and wait for UPS. I would think though that a good fair Indie shop might have done it for 1/2 that.
You know, these are sturdy cars but there's a reason you don't see German electronics at Best Buy
#4036 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
Dec 08, 2008 (10:52 am)
I agree with Shipo; you got hosed.
#4037 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [roadburner]
Dec 08, 2008 (11:11 am)
Had the fuel pump chosen to fail some other time and place, e.g. not in the middle of a drive lane of an airport parking garage on a bitterly cold day when I needed to get home ASAP, I could have checked around for other options. Why don't these things fail when I'm in my own driveway, maybe on a day off with lots of time to make calls to mechanics etc?
I will talk with the service writer at the dealership and see if they can be more reasonable on the part and labor. Thanks to those who provided helpful information.
#4038 of 5349 Re: 2000 328 Ci sudden death [backy]
Dec 08, 2008 (5:40 pm)
Sorry, I wasn't trying to pile on- but you really need to do a little research before an emergency arises. Are you a member of the BMW Car Club? You'll find many dealers and independent shops offer significant discounts on parts and/or labor. You'll also be able to contact local members aand get the scoop on which shops to patronize or avoid. Dealer service cost vary to a huge extent. For example, the ignorant souls running Inside Line's long term E46 M3 get reamed on a regular basis by Santa Monica BMW. It just so happened that my local dealer(Swope BMW in Louisville KY) had recently charged me $374 for an Inspection II and a brake fluid flush. Just for giggles I called Santa Monica BMW and asked how much they would charge for the same service. Care to guess how much Santa Monica wanted?
Inspection II: $929.95- and the service advisor said that they were currently running a "Special"(!)
Brake fluid flush: $175.00
Total : $1104.95
Only $730.95(295%) more than my dealer...