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#2896 of 2977 Pontiac Line in face of GM troubles
Apr 30, 2009 (7:56 pm)
I was planning to buy a 2009 AWD Vibe. But with GM ending the Pontiac line, am concerned about the long term care of the car. If something goes wrong with the car, I fear no one will have any parts to replace the broken ones. So now I'm considering going with a Subaru Forester. Does anyone know something about the lopng term viability of car lines that are discontinued? Thanks!
May 01, 2009 (5:10 am)
The Toyota dealer will have parts. I would not worry about parts it is based on the Corolla and that is the number one selling car of all time worldwide.
Take advantage of the fears of others and get a good price.
#2898 of 2977 Re: Pontiac Line in face of GM troubles [venn]
May 01, 2009 (5:32 pm)
My goodness, you are definitely over thinking this one my friend. Think of it this way: the car is 100% Corolla, except for the outer skin. If you get in an accident and need body parts, they will be created for up to 10 years; the rest Toyota has covered. Now for the really good news: GM was stupid enough to come out with a 2010 Vibe model before ditching Pontiac. You now have two model years of the second generation Vibe. I own both generations, and the 09 is far superior to my 03. I'm simply salivating at the fact that the resale value of these Vibes is going to go down the toilet (I keep my cars forever), and that I'll be able to replace my 03 with a used 09 or 2010 model in the not to near future should my wife's 03 conk out. Get the Vibe, or wait for a great deal on a modestly used one of the second generation. Don't pay the extra money for a Subaru and then get lousy gas mileage.
#2899 of 2977 Re: Pontiac Line in face of GM troubles [venn]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
May 02, 2009 (6:22 pm)
One of the unfounded fears is parts and service of brands that will be discontinued. Only if GM itself goes under is that an issue. As for any current Pontiac, treat them as you would if just the model was being discontinued... e.g., there hasn't been a Pontiac Bonneville in years, but parts are certainly still available for them. And since almost all Pontiac dealers were folded into Buick-GMC-Pontiac dealers, most of the dealers will still be around as Buick-GMC stores in the future, so the people who are servicing your Pontiac now will still be in place.
kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host
#2900 of 2977 05 Vibe or 04 Civic?
May 17, 2009 (1:41 pm)
I need a second car to use 3-4 times a week -- suburban and highway driving -- with occasional short trips (100miles or so). Looking for something reliable and fuel efficient. I'm considering a 2005 Vibe Man with 67k miles for $8900 and a 2004 Civic VP Man 72k miles for $8200. What do you think?
Also in the market for a newer, primary car. If we buy the civic, we may opt for small suv -- like Rav4 or Forester. Forester would be handy in our Michigan winters. If we buy vibe, we may opt for Camry. We'd like one car with hatchback versatility. It would be nice to have one with AWD, but we've done okay so far without that.
What do you think?
#2901 of 2977 Re: 05 Vibe or 04 Civic? [pilgrimjs]
May 17, 2009 (2:34 pm)
For your used car:
1. are you looking for good gas mileage since you are only using the car for short trips?
2. are you looking for a standard or automatic?
3. have you totally ruled out AWD?
I have both a 2003 AWD and 2009 Vibe. I think AWD is virtually a waste of money.
I want to make sure that you know that the 2003-2010 models are all Corolla, with the exception of the 2009-2010 AWD model which has Rav4 components and Camry engine, or the GT which has a Camry engine. The newest generation Vibe is far superior to the old one, but again, the Camry engine or AWD with Rav4 components/engines will get you much worse gas mileage than the 2009-2010 base model Corolla engine. I mention this because I think you should also throw the newest generation Vibe into your "new" car mix. With Pontiac out of business and these cars being all Toyota, the values of them will soon tank, making it easy to get a used "virtually new" 2009-2010 model for a song, knowing your car is a reliable Toyota in a GM outer skin. The Camry is a great car, but just a grocery getter since you can't haul anything in it. The Forrester is a gas pig, and is not comfortable for rear passengers. Both the Camry and Forrester however are bullet proof and will last you a long time; but if gas goes back up...........you may regret that decision.
Getting back to your 2005, the miles you site are low and of no concern since it is a Corolla engine and is a proven 200,000 mile engine. On cars.com, I did a nationwide search and found only about 5 2005 Vibes around your $8900 price or less; most were priced A LOT higher, so your price seems like a good deal, especially if you can talk them down a bit.
#2902 of 2977 Re: 05 Vibe or 04 Civic? [maxx4me]
May 17, 2009 (4:33 pm)
We'd like something smaller and fuel efficient and something larger.
The new Forester is bigger than the old, more comfortable in back, and fuel economy not bad. We're considering the manual version and many people get close to 30mpg with this on hwy, which is great for AWD SUV. Also looking at Rav4 but costs about $2k more (if 4wd, about same if 2wd). Forester drives better (unless v6 Rav4) but Rav4 a little more comfortable and not as cheap looking inside.
My wife really likes the Camry. So far we've only driven an 09 but willing to consider slightly older ones. This would be automatic. Manuals very hard to find. Most Hondas are uncomfortable for me -- bad lumbar that pushes into my back -- but I find that Civics and Fits are somehow better. Accords the worst, CR-V not great. I think Accords perform better than Camrys -- which are boring -- but I cannot sit in an Accord for a long drive. I can get a great deal here on a CR-V, but it's not comfortable for either of us. (Sigh.)
I've driven an 08 automatic Vibe that I liked -- although I'd prefer manual for this type of car. We're not interested in AWD Vibes.
AWD would be nice in winter, but we're in Southern MI. This winter, we got a lot of snow, and our Saturn had trouble with it. Some winters, we don't get much at all. Can we survive without AWD? Probably. But occasionally it would help.
If we rule out AWD, then we could go with Vibe + Civic/Corolla/Camry. Or maybe even two Vibes. We need to get two cars, and we need to get them soon. I don't really like the new Matrix/Vibe design. Do you really think it is better? Although I haven't driven one yet. So far I have not seen great deals on either one. Although I have seen a very low miles 08 for $13k.
#2903 of 2977 Re: 05 Vibe or 04 Civic? [pilgrimjs]
May 17, 2009 (4:40 pm)
Yes, for the smaller car, we'd prefer a manual. Rav4 would be auto, Camry auto, Forester manual. We'd be okay with two used cars, so long as is good for longer trips with a family of four.
#2904 of 2977 Re: 05 Vibe or 04 Civic? [pilgrimjs]
May 17, 2009 (6:31 pm)
I think you're off on the price. Fuel efficiency isn't that big a deal anymore, and last I looked -- about 4-6 months ago -- cars like my '07 Vibe 5sp with 18k miles would not bring $10 at the auction. So I think $9 for an '05 with ~ 70k is outrageous... $6 wholesale, $7.xxx retail would be nearer the mark. And at that point, the whole thing makes sense, and a Camry is in another league altogether.
Personally I'd take a 5sp Forester over an automatic Vibe AWD any day of the week, but that's me. In this economy, in this state, at this time, I'm glad to be driving a GM product, though.
#2905 of 2977 Re: 05 Vibe or 04 Civic? [steine13]
May 17, 2009 (8:13 pm)
Not deciding between Vibe and Forester. I need two cars. Deciding between Vibe and Civic for one, then Rav4, Forester, or Camry for the other. Yes, Camry is in different category. Need good family car for traveling. Need some kind of hatch for versatility.
I'm certainly not seeing Vibes at the prices you mention. In fact, used Vibes around here are pretty rare, and low miles ones are always $12 or higher. Not considering a new one because they're no cheaper than the Matrix, and the Toyota will hold value better. But I see even less of those used.
I did take a look at Ford. Tried to contact three different dealerships, even went to one and tested a Fusion. They only had souped up models with sunroofs, and those didn't give me enough headroom. No one would give me info on how to get one without. Kind of hard to sell a car when you don't even try. In this economy, I don't understand only stocking the higher priced trims and packages.