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Well I'm no audiophile but for my un-trained ear, the stereo works fine, no skipping on the CD even off-roading and using burned cd's. I get generally 12-14mpg in the city. 15-16mpg  77mph, hilly interstate w/Tire Pressure 5lbs above MSTP. 17-20mpg 55-65mph, hilly interstate w/TP 5lbs over MSTP Once you go above 65 the MPG drops dramatically. So if you can keep it below 65, you are golden. -mike |
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Bob, I own a 99 Trooper which basically is same as 00 and 01. You should take test drive both Pathfinder and Trooper and make decisiion yourself. In my opinion, I'll buy Pathfinder. Following are Pathfinder's advantages over Trooper. It has a superior dealership network with far better customer services. I disagree that Pathfinder is less reliable than Trooper. It has an equal or more powerful engine. It's aerodynamic shape yield less crosswind disturbance. It bounce and sway less. It has a roof rack. Just name a few. Check out these Edmunds Trooper's Owners Websites where many people worship Trooper for their comments, complaints (such as burning 1 quart of oil every 1000 mi., vibrating side mirrors, whinning TOD, clinking tranmission, etc...) and their wish list for a Trooper. A Trooper may cost a little less, but after you get it and if you want to change sway bars, bushings, shocks, tires, or add roof racks, it'll be a lot more expensive!!! I didn't buy a Pathfinder because it didn't come with the big 3.5l then. Good luck Bob, |
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| I looked at it. Its very sporty--unibody not full-frame, so more car-like drive but not meant for off-roading. The back seat legroom is really tight on it, and it just would not due for my three kids sitting back there. The trooper has huge back seat space for them. | |
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Bobforman wrote: > Looking for advice on a new Trooper. Found a 2001 demo with 1700 miles at 30K. Driven by the owner of the dealership. > > It's a LSD. with the gold package. If you mean limited slip differential (meaning 2WD), the dealer isn't offering you any kind of a deal - unless the gold package is actually gold! I bought a 2WD '01 LS w/sunroof & side steps and paid invoice ($27,164) for a vehicle that had MSRP of just over $30,000. I can't find the window sticker right this minute (it's around here somewhere) but $30,054 sticks in my mind. If you mean the Limited package, then that may be a good price - depending on what Edmunds says is invoice for it. Charlie |
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is only available on the LTD. It gives you gold accents, different Ltd rims, and mono-tone paint. -mike |
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| I mistyped....The one I'm looking at is an LTD with the gold package. What about vibrating mirros and the need for a new sway bar? There seems to be more here that initially meets the eye. Bob Forman | |
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Some people (myself included) had a slight vibration on the drivers mirror 75+ mph. I had my replaced and it's been ok since. People are doing modifications to get a stiffer sway bar for better more sports car like handling on-road. The stock setup is decent w/o a doubt. I personally am going to be switching to the Rancho 9000s adjustable shocks so that i can have it soft for off-roading and stiff for higway/spirited driving, and replacing the rear springs with progressive rate ones so that i can put more stuff in the trailer w/o having any saging. (also i usually carry a lot of heavy tools in the trunk) Also whoever posted that the Nissan engine has the same reliablility as the trooper is off base cause the Nissan 3.5 just came out this year so it's unknown how good it is. The trooper one has been around since the mid 90s Also with a 50,000 mile bumper to bumper warrnaty and 120K powertrain, you are looking at a lot of faith in their vehicles. -mike |
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That's true that this is the 1st year Pathfinder gets 3.5l. But don't be bias, the 3.5l was first on Trooper in 1998 so it's been around only 3 years! For the same logic, if Trooper has been around for long and it's must be so good that Acura branded it with different name; so is Pathfinder, it's been around since 1980's and it's now twin to Infiniti Q4! Anyway, I just want to tell Bob (or anyone else) that Trooper is not a super vehicle, it's just a good one as any others. Do yourself a favor, test drive and research reliability and maintenance history carefully. Another important factor is dealer network and how dealers want to help you. Check out throroughly Edmunds Troopers Part III through Part IV to judge yourself. Good luck Bob! |
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| Sometime longer warranty doesn't matter much, such as Hundai that has 10yr/100k mi. also. Are Hundai super cars like Troopers described here at this Web site? I think it's extremely bothersome for gearbox whinning, clinking, engine drinks 1 quart of oil every 1000mi (but it's OK), bouncing and swaying (unless replacing with new shocks or sway bars)for 10 yr/ 100k mi.! | |
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The items you mentioned are certainly annoying to some Trooper owners. Others don't even notice these things. Others are lucky enough that their Troopers don't have certain "problems" (e.g. mine doesn't have the gearbox whine). I would say that all of these problems have no bearing on the reliability/durability of the vehicle over the long term. For me, the Trooper rides just fine on the stock shocks, even at 40k miles in my 1998 Trooper. I guess I don't know what I'm missing by not having aftermarket shocks and/or sway bars & bushings. I don't have the gearbox whine. I don't have any squeaks/rattles/clunks/etc. (a couple rattles have disappeared finally). My engine consumes a quart of oil every 2,000 miles or so. Based on what I've heard from Isuzu, a master Isuzu mechanic, and many other owners, there is no cause for concern if oil consumption is up to a quart every 1,000 miles. Does it mean I have to check my oil more often and occasionally add a quart? Yes. Does it bother me? No. My truck is solid and reliable. As for the Trooper 3.5L V6, it's based on the 3.2L 6 that has existed on Trooper since the 1992 model year. That engine has a couple trouble areas (leaky valve covers/seals) but is otherwise very durable and reliable. I have nothing bad to say about the Pathfinder's 3.5L 6. Its specs look impressive, though I saw one review that indicated the truck isn't as fast as the numbers would imply. Actually, I thought the manual transmission-equipped Pathfinder has 250hp, vs. 240hp for the automatic. |
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