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#3120 of 3299 Re: Timing Belt Tensioner adustment [wlbrown9]
Oct 27, 2006 (5:30 pm)
Timing Belt replacemet was a long time ago for my 1995 Trooper. If I recall correctly, it was something like $400 in labor plus parts, between $500 and $600 total including the timing belt and water pump and new coolant and oil change etc...
I am a couple thousand miles away from timing belt replacement on my 2001 Trooper. I expect the price to be similar. I will also replace the belt tensioner just in case.
I use a shop that came into existence to work on Isuzu troopers but they have expanded into more brand names now.
http://www.creechimports.com/ They are awsome for their attention to detail and helping prevent expensive repairs by checking for things that typically go bad to catch the problem early. They also are honest.
#3121 of 3299 Re: 2001 Trooper TOD problems [atfdmike]
Oct 28, 2006 (4:23 pm)
I'm getting closer, but haven't quite found the problem yet - I am now starting to suspect that the TOD ECU is not functioning correctly, but not sure. My TOD ECU has only a 20 pin connector, so it doesn't match the 1998 version and so I can't follow the diagnostic process because I don't know the correct pins. Meantime, I have found that the VSV's are definitely not faulty (I checked their operation and compared nominal resistance against your post of service bulletin SB96-04-L006).
What seems odd is that the voltage on the connectors that plug into the VSV's is 4.95 volts, no matter which mode (4wd/2wd or tod) the truck is in, and no matter which way the axle dissconnect is positioned (engaged or disengaged) - the disconnect indicator switch and the disconnect acuator all work fine (proved by reversing the vacuum hoses and watching the indicator etc).
Without further documentation, I would have expected the voltage to be 0V when 4WD or TOD is engaged and 12V when 2WD is on. On the 1998 diagram there is no relay inbetween the TOD ECU and the VSV's only a wiring harness.
Can you find.... a wiring diagram of any Isuzu TOD ECU (Amigo/VX/Rodeo perhaps) with only a 20 pin connector and the associated trouble diagnostic flow charts? and can you confirm what voltage I should expect across the VSV circuit when both VSV's are unplugged. Is there a fuse/relay in the mix, or if the voltage comes straight out of the TOD ECU, could that be faulty???
An finally - could you please post the diagnostic flow no 12 for error code 32 as well and let me know how to clear the TOD computer memory of faults.
A massive thank you for your help so far.
#3122 of 3299 Re: 2001 Trooper TOD problems [atfdmike]
Oct 28, 2006 (7:48 pm)
Oops - mistake in my last post - the TOD ECU Connector has 22 pins not 20
#3123 of 3299 Re: 2001 Trooper TOD problems [stephanv]
Oct 30, 2006 (9:02 am)
OK, I am kind of lost again. You need a diagram for what number of ECU pin connectors? And you would like the code description for TOD 32?
As far as clearing the codes, the easiest way I know of is to disconnect the battery for about a minute. A scan tool is needed otherwise, although if you knew which fuse supplied the TOD module, you could remove that for a like period of time to clear the codes.
Oct 31, 2006 (6:58 am)
I have a 1994 Trooper. I have replaced the alternator several times. I understand that the alternator is the weak link in this year/model. A short time after I replaced it last time a funny thing started to happen. The blower fan would run after I turned the key off. I have complete wiring diagram and check all the relays and the ignition switch. They all appear to be fine. With the key OUT, the battery connected the fan runs. I can turn it off with switch in the dash (I checked that too). If I pull the restart relay, the fan stops. So I am getting hot to the No.2(or 1) of the restart relay with key off. The best I can tell from the wiring diag's is that is coming for the altenator. Does this sound right?
If so, can anyone recommend an alternator brand, aftermarket, whatever.
Oh, if it matters this is a Trooper-S.
#3125 of 3299 Re: Alternator [bucwoody]
Oct 31, 2006 (8:18 am)
Hi, I am far from an electrical expert, but I looked at the wiring schematic, and it seems to me that the restart relay or blower motor relay is the culprit. It may be sticking closed which then supplies power from the alt. to the heater motor, which is always on unless the blower control is in off position, which removes the ground from the blower motor circuit. I think the relay to the side of the restart relay looks like the same type of relay. I did not look to see what it does, but if it is the same, you could swap it to see if that corrects the problem. If it does not, then I suppose the blower relay could be bad. My suggestion hinges on the fact that when you turn the key off, the relays should open so that nothing is energised that should not be. I used the Alldata electrical diagram to look at your trooper. If you have A/C, the compressor may also have power if the A/C button is on as well. The A/C is trickier though, as cold temps or system condition can also be a factor on whether the compressor sees power. Hope this helps. One owners opinion. Good Luck
#3126 of 3299 Re: Timing Belt Tensioner adustment [boxtrooper]
Oct 31, 2006 (10:40 am)
Thanks. When I got the pricing from the Chevy/Isuzu dealer here in Memphis, I got the impression they were not cutting me any slack for having both of them done together. I'm going to stop by an independent shop one day on the way home and see what they might be able to do them for. If I get it done I'll let you know.
#3127 of 3299 Re: Alternator [atfdmike]
Nov 01, 2006 (6:41 am)
Thanks, I have checked both (restart & blower relay) of these with a omh meter and putting voltage across the resistor, they seem fine. One of the things I did and did not mention was I disconnected the white (directly from battery) wires at the alternator and the blower stops. My main problem is I cannot tell if that should be hot into the restart relay? In other words is the restart relay always hot on terminal 2? That does not seem right. The way it looks is the restart relay temporarily disrupts power to the blower and AC when the key is on start (starter engaged). But I am far from an expert.
Thanks for you input.
#3128 of 3299 Re: Alternator [bucwoody]
Nov 01, 2006 (9:51 am)
Hi, like you, I am no expert, but in looking at the schematic available to me, I cannot see the actual settings of the restart relay. Here is a link to the diagram I am looking at for the starter system:
http://www.carspace.com/atfdmike/Albums/ISUZU%20TROOPER%20FORUM/94starterwire1.g- - if/page/photo.html#pic
It shows a black and white wire that should only be hot when the key switch is in start position.
The restart relay is also shown in the heater/AC schematic, but actually appears twice, I think. Here is another link to what I am looking at:
http://www.carspace.com/atfdmike/Albums/ISUZU%20TROOPER%20FORUM/94starterwire2.g- - if/page/photo.html#pic
For some reason I cannot get the address to post correctly, the .gif is split up. Try to copy and paste into address box and delete the space and hyphen.
I just cannot wrap my head around where else the blower could get power if not through the blower relay and restart relay. Could the anti theft controller be holding the restart relay on? Maybe someone else will offer an opinion. Good luck.