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Isuzu Ascender, Isuzu Trooper, SUV
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#1579 of 3299 Viktoria's issues
Apr 10, 2002 (7:43 am)
I am trying to act unbiased when I say that your vechicle is unlike any that I have ever heard of, even a new model year GM vehicle (ie. Chevy Trailblazer). If your vehicle does not qualify for Lemon law status, it should.
I have owned 16 vehicles over the past 14 years. They included Volkswagon, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, Dodge, Jeep, International Scout, Isuzu, and Mazda. The Chevrolet, Honda, Isuzu and Dodge were purchased new. All others were purchased used. I kept some vehicles until they had over 160k. Considering all of these vehicles, I have never encountered the type of problems that you have encountered with your Trooper. I apologize for your problems, however, I too believe that you have a possible "flood" vehicle or what I consider to be a "defective dealer".
In regard to brakes, I currently own a 1999 Isuzu Trooper with the Automatic. My vehicle has over 49k. The rotors feel solid, no warping, and the pads have over 50% of their material remaining. I have towed around 7,000 lbs twice (not recommended) and tow around 1,500 lbs once/month. Otherwise, my wife drives the vehicle everyday to work/errands.
Apr 10, 2002 (8:22 am)
Victoria bought hers used IIRC so I highly doubt it could qualify under any lemon law.
Apr 11, 2002 (6:04 pm)
In response on where to find syringes, try a veterinary supply store. Just this past weekend I changed both the rear and front axle oil on my '99 Troop and found a new use for my "Cajun injector" (typically used to inject chickens, turkeys, hogs, etc. with a variety of liquid herbs and spices)I used it to inject the gear oil that I was unable to squeeze out of the oil container. The rear axle oil appeared to be dirty and discolored. The front axle oil appeared to be fairly clean. I checked my transmission oil by unscrewing the upper plug on the transmission pan (with the engine running) and it is still red in color. I would like to change this out myself but I am not quite sure on how to tackle this job. Any specific/detailed instructions would certainly be appreciated. I also would like to change the oil in the transfer case. The shop manual says to replace this with 5w-30 or similar, yet when viewing what I believe to be the transfer case on my vehicle, "Fill with ATF II or III only" is etched on the transfer case casing. What I believe to be the transfer case is the vehicle component attached to the rear of the transmission with a drive shaft going to the front axle. Besides the Fill with ATF etching, it also has Borg Warner etched on it. Both the upper and lower plug of this etched-up component can be removed by using a ratchet without the socket. I do not mean to show my ignorance but what am I looking at and what type of oil should be used? I did not unscrew the lower/drain plug because I wasn't sure if I would need loctite or some silicon tape applied to the threads when replacing the plug. Also, someone earlier posted something about changing the TOD fluid. When and how should this be done. Though I do have the shop manuals for this vehicle, it tells me how to take the transmission and the transfer case apart but I could not specifically find the method of replacing the fluid for these items.
In response to those of you who have put larger tires on your Troop....I feel your pain. I have Buckshot Mudders 245/75 on mine and the gas consumption is not pretty (18 hwy before 15 after). Later...'99 Troop Lux 37,800 miles.
Apr 11, 2002 (6:28 pm)
The manual is for the regular transfer case (Part time) I believe there is a place you need to put that stuff though. The TOD T-case uses ATF fluid though, not std. gear oil.
#1583 of 3299 Carriere Transfer Case ?'s
Apr 11, 2002 (7:36 pm)
Like Paisan noted above the TOD equipped vehicles have a BorgWarner transfer case unit that takes ATF instead of gear oil. Just pull the upper plug first so that you know you can refill through there. Then pull the lower plug and let it drain away. FWIW I didn't use loctite on my threads as I am more concerned about such plugs getting stuck in place than vibrating loose. I don't know what the manual calls for though.
If you do the tranny fluid change make sure you have new plug gaskets as they are prone to leaking and have a specialized design that you have to get at a dealer.
Apr 11, 2002 (8:24 pm)
Concerning the transfer case, I can now quit scratching my head, I appreciate the response guys.
#1585 of 3299 Transmission Fluid Change
Apr 11, 2002 (8:55 pm)
Breakor, I'd like to change the tranny fluid myself but I am not sure of the appropriate way to do it. I've checked the fluid by removing the plug on the upper level of the transmission oil pan, and I used my kung foo grip when I re-installed the plug(snugged it up a fairly tight),so I am hoping that it doesn't leak. Is the plug that I used to check the fluid the same hole that I'll have to defy gravity in order to get 9 quarts of ATF fluid into? Nine quarts is a bit much for the Cajun Injector. I asked a parts store if they had some type of pump for this type of job and I had them scratching their head.
#1586 of 3299 Which fluid did I just change?
Apr 11, 2002 (9:09 pm)
Amazing timing on this discussion! While you guys were posting, I was out checking the A/T level and draining old fluid and adding new fluid. Unfortunately, I think I drained the transfer case, not the automatic transmission! I did this same procedure 10,000 miles ago. Both times I've been scratching my head trying to figure out why only 2 quarts drained out of a 9.1 quart auto trans.
I just took a closer look at the owners manual, and now I'm really confused. Maybe what I changed was the TOD system fluid, not the transfer case?
#1587 of 3299 fluids on my 98 Trooper
Apr 11, 2002 (10:11 pm)
My 98 Trooper has auto trans and TOD. Can someone please clarify whether it has a TOD reservoir with drain/fill plugs, a transfer case reservoir with drain/fill plugs, or both?
Until today, I thought the answer was TOD only, no transfer case. Based on the past few posts and what I remember about the fluids I've changed on the truck in the last 3 years, I think the answer is the truck has BOTH.
I'm scouring my owners manual and it's very confusing/vague. It never gives me clear info on if the truck has a transfer case, TOD, or both. It's also not clear on the fluid capacities for each item. It shows "Transfer" (in the Auto Trans table) 1.5 qts, and "Transfer with TOD" (what is this - the TOD system?) 2.0 qts. A photocopied page from the factory workshop manual confirms these capacities.
Problem is, I've drained 1.75-2.0 quarts out of the TOD reservoir once and about 1.5 the other time (done this procedure twice in 3 years) and exactly 2 quarts out of the other thing that seems to be the transfer case (changed a year ago and again tonight).
Now I see this in my owners manual: the transfer case uses regular engine oil (40 weight or 5W30, depending on where you live)! But the thing that I thought was the transfer case has "use only ATF II or III" stamped on it?! Is this actually the auto trans and not the transfer case?
What's going on?
Does this sound like the transfer case? I removed a heavy skid plate, held on by four 14mm bolts. As carriere explained earlier, the reservoir drain and fill plugs say 'Use only ATF II or III,' are removed with the end of a 3/8" ratchet (no socket attached), and the big silver funny-shaped unit has a big Borg-Warner sticker on it.
The sticker should have been a clue that this was not the transmission; I know the A/T is a GM unit.
Does this sound like the TOD system? The reservoir is further toward the front of the vehicle than the transfer case. It's more conventional-looking (rectangular and flat on the bottom side). My maintenance records indicate the drain & fill plugs were removed with a 19mm socket.
Can someone describe where the A/T reservoir is? Obviously, I have no idea, since I thought I'd drained the A/T fluid twice when I really had drained the transfer case.
#1588 of 3299 sorry for the long post
Apr 11, 2002 (10:14 pm)
I am so confused about all of this I simply cannot believe it.