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Give it a break. I doubt either of you have any intension of ever purchasing a RAV. Your only purpose for posting on this board is to discredit Toyota and Consumer Reports for their method of recommending vehicles (Toyota vehicle's in particular). I'll repeat one final time CR recommends vehicles based on how well they perform and their reliability. Crash test information is also provided in the Consumer Reports to assist readers in their vehicle buying decision. Unlike CR, the fact remains Car and Driver accepts money from manufacturers and includes more subjective criteria in evaluating vehicles (to arrive at the desired conclusion). Although not perfect I'll accept CR's method before the other car mags. Fortunately, intelligent people can and will think for themselves. I'll allow you the last biased word, that's it for me on this topic. Oh and by the way, I never disputed the fact that side air bags were beneficial (they are only one of many safety features that should be considered as reported in CR).
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Crash test information is also provided in the Consumer Reports to assist readers in their vehicle buying decision. Give me a break...they manipulated the actual test results as they always do to favor Toyota. Read the article and compare the terminology that they use...they are obviously bias and now recommend an unsafe vehicle...very disappointing. Consumer Reports has lost all credibility. |
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Replying to: petl (Oct 18, 2004 6:53 am) I'm not out to descredit Toyota, am just a concerned consumer merely stating a about my suspicions of Toyota and CR in cahoots to sway customers to their not so safe top dollar products. I's a free country you know, if a potential car buyer doesn't believe what I say in this forum, or believe it, it's his/her choice. It is my noble intentention as a health care worker who have seen a lot of missing/ mangled bodyparts that I may spare a person or two the pain of loosing someone, or see a loveone suffer just because he /she choose a vehicle which is less safer the RAV 4 than the many other options out their. |
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I don't think your conspiracy theory passes the sniff test. And most consumers don't want to pay for safety - the government had to force seat belts on the manufacturers because few people wanted to buy them when they were optional. Maybe you should start your crusade with motorcycles? Steve, Host
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 18, 2004 6:44 pm) Can you direct me to a forum where I could crucify motorcycles for not having front or sideairbags.Who knows they might listen and not label me as anti-Harley, anti-Yamaha, pro-Honda and motorcycles will become as safe as cars. Far fetch idea? maybe, but one will never know till one tries.Laptops use to be as big as an average American house. For the time being ( feel free to contest my opinion), it never occured to me that people who buy motorcycles have safety as the no.1 priority, rather, they ride motorcycles and I have my share of it when I was younger for that adrenaline rush of the wind hitting your skin and that feeling of freedom short of flying.With that kind of delight to your senses, who the heck cares about safety. Most car buyers on the other hand may not put safety as their no. 1 priority but I bet safety is somewhere in their top 10 reasons for buying a pareticular car model.Limiting ones access to a safe vehicle because he/she can't afford a high end model like what Toyota does is a gross injustice to consumers. Your dismissal of my opinion about Toyota and CR as an unfounded conspiracy theory, is tantamount to your putting down of the opinion of others who feel the same way too. Whatever happened to the freedom of expression. I thought it was just in my country that you got shot because of being vocal. Right now I am masaccred in a smaller scale because I am putting the influence of the net against the powers Toyota and CR.It is not just me who feel that Toyota and CR is tying the knot of deception. Forum member "revit" and a few others feel the same way too.CR / Toyota has lost it's credibility to him, to me and among a few others. Don't crucify me for my beliefs. CR use to be gospel to me, Car and Driver, Motortrend, Automobilemag and Edmunds are cheap tabloid like source of car gossip only.Now that I know better, I put them on equal footing with each other. Till then. PS. Can't seem to find a motorcycle forum and airbags, anyone who can bring me their? Seriously.Am dying to ride a fastbike a safe fastbike since I was a poor kid who walk 7 miles RT to school. |
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CR is just another tool. I got burned by them on a canoe purchase in 1974. But to posit that they are conspiring with Toyota doesn't fly in my book. Nevertheless, the topic of discussion in here is the RAV4. Steve, Host |
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 18, 2004 7:55 pm) RAV 4's then. They are unsafe compared to other small SUV's and CR for whatever reason, maybe money, typographical error praised the RAV 4 like crazy. The unfair comparison didn't include the CRV and even the ugly Element (it's got sideairbags across all models though). It's like winning a gold medal in the olympics because the judges made sure that your closest competitor is absent in the playing field.Toyota no thanks to CR garner top honors coz the competition is lousy. PS. I doubt if any canoe company has the billions that Toyota has in it's marketing arsenal.CR burned you with a canoe?How about imagining this CR burned you with a mini SUV out of the door price of about $22,000-23,000. 16.5% APR. It's got no ABS, no SAB, FWD,(wonder why I got stuck only 2x in heavy Maryland snow).Talk about getiing burned by the hundreds, I guess you could at least have a feel what it means being burned by the thousands.
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Replying to: steve_ (Oct 18, 2004 7:55 pm) They make too many assumptions and always conclude that if a particular model WAS excellent or unreliable, that it naturally stays that way. Consumer Reports has become comparable to Mad Magazine; a lot of information, but a lot more laughs. |
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Replying to: 55535432 (Oct 18, 2004 8:08 pm)
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I'm wondering if anyone elses 2004 RAV4 makes a clicking noise in the switch every time the intermittent wipers cycle on? Mine just started doing it this morning and I never heard the noise before. My RAV4 has only 3100 miles on it and so far has been plagued with multiple defects. Unfortunately, I'm thinking this may be another one to add to the list. So far it has needed a new charcoal canister, vent hose from the gas tank to the canister, catalytic converter, fuel air ratio sensor and dashboard rattle kit. It's not the Toyota quality I expected. |
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