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#1589 of 2127 Re: Consumer Reports should retract RAV4 Recommendation [revit]
Oct 12, 2004 (6:58 pm)
I absolutely agree with you. As a sign of protest I'm not renewing my magazine subscription this year till CR. retracts their praises for the RAV 4.(not that $20.00/yr matters to CR.).I'm swaying all my co-workers to opt for the CRV with side airbags. I've convinced 4 out of 5 so far. I've got a Rav 4 2003 myself and I intended to keep it at least for ten years, but the daily grind of seeing mutilated T-BONED bodies in the operating room where I work as a nurse in orthopaedics and neurosurgery leaves me soo scared of riding my Rav 4 to work 40 miles roundtrip.TO THE tOYOTA FAITHFULS, pls let those sidearbagless RAV 4 rot in dealers lot.Get Toyotas but not the RAV's and other Toyotas without sideairbags.I feel they are coffins on wheels, the replacement vehicle that I wanted, an SUT from Honda with standard safety features even on their low end models still comes out on 2006, till then I'm stuck to this cute C O F F I N on wheels.
#1590 of 2127 Re: Consumer Reports should retract RAV4 Recommendation [revit]
Oct 13, 2004 (7:07 am)
Don't blame CR. CR rates vehicles on their reliability (based on the CR questionnaire) and on how well they perform (based on CR testing). They have always done this. They have recently included crash test results from organizations that perform them (CR does not crash test vehicles). They recommend vehicles based on (1) reliability and (2) how well they perform, that's it (some that perform well may still not be recommended because of poor reliability issues). The only vehicle that CR did not recommend because of safety reasons was the Suzuki Sidekick (it tipped too easily during their normal testing).
There are many vehicles that don't perform well in crash tests. Incidentally, most accidents are caused by driver error. CR now provides readers with this information in order that they can decide for themselves what vehicle best suits their needs. If you decide that the RAV (or any other vehicle) is not safe enough for you and your family, don't buy it. Don't blame CR.
Oct 13, 2004 (7:09 am)
So you're gonna wait until 2006 for your next vehicle, even though you think you're driving a coffin on wheels?
If you really believe that, and you're that concerned, trade to something safer today. Don't wait.
Wouldn't that be the smart, safe thing to do?
#1592 of 2127 Re: 555 [suvshopper4]
Oct 13, 2004 (8:31 am)
Yup your right, can't put a price tag on peace of mind. However my other car is a 2003 Honda Pilot that my wife drives to work 90% of the time. I get to drive it when we are together and the RAV 4 is left in the garage. Never felt so safe in it, coz of a firsthand experience of meeting a family of 4 who walked away from a freak accident bruised, but alive, Pilot totaled.They got a pilot again.
Does anyone have any idea if I could trade in my RAV4 and lease a CRV, or maybe a pickup with side-airbags V6 only manual or AT is ok. I'll be keeping it for two years till that SUT comes out so reliability ain't an issue for me. Any suggestions please, asap. I'm devoting this entire weekend to dispose my RAV 4 C O F F I N of a joke.
Thanks in advance for all the responses.
#1593 of 2127 Re: Revit #1590
Oct 13, 2004 (9:13 am)
CU also did not recommend an Acura SUV (not the MDX) a few years ago. I think they even had a photo of it tipping on three wheels on the cover.
My recollection is that CU was sued by Acura, but eventually prevailed in court. Maybe someone else remembers.
I agree with Revit about CU's methodology as far as recommending new cars. If your bottom line is safety it is easy to get those figures from the various insurance and Government agencies who rank the performance of most cars/truck/suvs.
The best way to get the attention of Toyota of America is to complain to your dealer and/or refuse to but a Rav4 without side airbags. I don't blame Toyota for failing to include them when they were a much rarer option on most all cars except luxury models. However, I do think now is the time for action.
Oct 13, 2004 (9:16 am)
"Does anyone have any idea if I could trade in my RAV4 and lease a CRV, or maybe a pickup with side-airbags V6 only manual or AT is ok."
#1595 of 2127 suvshopper4
Oct 13, 2004 (10:48 am)
You can do whatever you wish. It's your money. For the record, there have been documented incidents (RAVWorld) where the RAV (without side air bags) was also totalled and the occupents escaped serious injury. There are many deciding factors that determine the outcomes of accidents "speed, angle of impact, size of other vehicle or structure, seatbelt worn (probably more important than supplementary restraint systems), the list goes on. Peace of mind is not a guarantee but it will cost money.
#1596 of 2127 Re: suvshopper4 [petl]
Oct 13, 2004 (11:59 am)
I think you meant to direct your post to 555...
That is who I was quoting, from his earlier post.
I don't view my side airbag-less RAV4 as a coffin on wheels.
And I intend to keep it for another 10+ years.
#1597 of 2127 Re: Next Gen RAV 4 [smpool]
Oct 13, 2004 (4:28 pm)
Have not heard, but Toyota, if you are listening...make the vehicle safer and make the side airbags standard.
#1598 of 2127 Re: suvshopper4 [petl]
Oct 13, 2004 (4:32 pm)
Of course as is the case with anything, you can find documented incidents to justify everything possible. Peace of mind may not be a guarantee, by side airbags on the Toyota RAV4 are not really available; contrary to what Consumer Reports would have you believe.
Refer to the actual crash test at Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.