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#1321 of 2127 RAV4 ordered
Mar 13, 2004 (11:40 am)
We've been following the discussion of this board for some time and after narrowing our choice between 5 speed versions of the CRV and RAV4 we have decided to go with the RAV.
In the end we liked features in both vehicles and have no bias for or against either manufacturer since we currently own a 92 Toyota MR2 and 94 Honda Civic and both of those cars are far superior to anything we owned previously from Detroit or Germany.
We liked the additional cargo space of the CRV for my bike, but I can easily disassemble it and make the fit in the RAV, plus the RAV factory rack will accept Thule and Yakima bike mounts according to those man. websites. The RAV felt more car-like, and the FWD version is more fuel efficient that the AWD CRV we were considering (primarily because of the options pkg, not the AWD since we live in the south). With gas expected to top $3/gallon this summer the roughly 500 lb weight difference with roughly equivalent torque/hp is substantial and that factored into our decision.
Interestingly, it's easier in my area to get a better deal on a CRV than a RAV4 despite the fact that the CRV appears to be outselling the RAV by a considerable margin. But that may also be due to the fact that we are ordering a RAV equipped exactly the way we want it rather than getting one off a lot or through dealer trade.
The beauty in ordering one, however, is that you purchase exactly what you want rather than what (in this case) Gulf States Toyota thinks you should get in terms of options bundles with you car. Thus, no extraneous (for us) Extra Mile Pkgs and the like. Of course we have to wait 5-6 months for delivery, but we aren't in any rush.
In the end the best price we could get on the RAV4 is 6% over Dealer Wholesale (according to the Consumer Reports price sheet I bought) and a little less than 4% over invoice whereas the CRV was 5% over Dealer Wholesale and 3% over invoice. In OK we pay a 3% excise tax based on actual price paid, not MSRP, to the state plus tag and title, but it is not part of the total paid to the dealer.
We ordered our FWD, 5 speed, Everglade Green RAV with the following options: Factory Installed:(AW),(UP),(GY),(KE),(DR),(RF),(MG). Port Installed: (CF),(NI),(P4) For a grand total out-the-door Price of $21,455. It's not an AWD or Automatic, but it's obviously better than $5500 cheaper than the Edmunds road tested 2004 RAV.
We could have gotten the 5 speed EX CRV for $21.090
I don't know if any of the above info will be useful, but I figured I owed something to the group for all the helpful information gleaned from these discussions. Obviously, in the end, the best choice is what best suits each driver/owner's needs, but both small "SUVs" are well made and have excellent reliability. And both appear to have legions of admirers.
#1322 of 2127 2001 4WD Surging
Mar 13, 2004 (12:50 pm)
My wife's 2001, while at a stoplight, began surging which she couldn't overcome with her brake - hitting and moving a large SUV in front of her........has anyone else noted surging in their RAV4? There was a recent recall for Camrys for a surging problem.
Mar 13, 2004 (2:06 pm)
Dang... I don't think I could wait 5-6 months for a Rav4. It will be nice when they start building them state side. The local Toyota dealer here told me they plan on building Rav4's in the US around 2006/7.
Anyway, here in Chicago the CR-V's are cheaper priced, but I believe it is because they have a large supply here in Chicagoland.
Mar 13, 2004 (10:03 pm)
Other Canadian members have the right flag flying; I don't know why yours is missing. Try tweaking your Profile and logging out and back in. (link's at the top left).
Are you sure you're north of 49 and not one of those Washington Vancouverites?
#1325 of 2127 Rbleland can u send my a pic of your Rav?
Mar 13, 2004 (10:24 pm)
After all the searching I've done, I have not seen the blue color you're describing. I thought it was to dark. However, if it is the same blue that I have seen on new Camry's and Corolla's blue would have to be my #1 color choice. The 2005 Escape has a new blue, but it looks faded and dull (IMO).
BTW, I replied to a Ford dealer here, I told him I was buying a Rav4 for the following reasons:
"Price (value), depreciation, quality and mileage were key factors."
This is what he replied back with:
"I believe that the Ford Escape is a better value for the reasons you stated. . .
Plus...When given the choice.....I buy American."
I then replied back to him the following:
"That is your opinion; however, go to consumerreports.org, Edmunds.com, kbb.com and others. Look at the history and ratings. Isn't a lot of Fords made in Mexico and Canada (nothing against my Canadian/Mexican friends, I was just trying to make a point)? Toyota has many models built in the US. I think the buy American phrase is a bit blurred. My vehicles are assemble at various plants throughout the world with parts from numerous countries. To say that buying a Ford means you're buying American isn't true, you're just buying from an American company that has vehicles built all over the globe.
I test drove the new 2005 2.3L yesterday, weak and loud. And the gas mileage isn't much of an improvement over the V6."
I haven't received a reply. Of course a Ford dealer is gonna say that, if they didn't he wouldn't sell any cars. It's the same for any other car dealer, they are going to say their vehicle is the best yadda, yadda, yadda. But in my opinion and tons of others, including Edmunds and Consumer Reports, the Rav4 is a better pick for me.
#1326 of 2127 Help with Rav4 Please!
Mar 14, 2004 (6:46 pm)
I'm new here and I am looking for some help...I've pretty much decided on this model but... I will be hauling about 600 lbs (just an estimate) on a daily basis mostly highway driving. I need to find out if a 2.4L motor with FWD is going to handle the load. I am buying new and planning to keep the Rav for a long time. I was also considering extended warranty just in case. I can't afford to have any unexpected repair expenses that are over a couple hundred bucks. Its not in the budget. A deductible is a bit more reasonable. I am counting on Toyotas reputation to hold out. My prior car had to have the engine replaced, without the warranty I could not have had it done. I don't have a back up car and rely on my car not being out of service for any length of time. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks!
Mar 15, 2004 (9:48 am)
I believe 600 pounds is within the limits. You should be able to find the max weight recommended, somewhere - maybe Edmonds or the Toyota site.
My wife has a 2002 RAV4 - with the 2.0L engine. I remember hauling at least 600 pounds of lime in it and it was a bit of a struggle. Add 240 for me and 100 for the wife for a total of 940. If your weight approaches this consider a vehicle with a bigger engine. IMVHO.
Mar 15, 2004 (9:54 am)
Never heard of surging before. Check the Camry site. Maybe they have discussions on the issue. Did you call the dealer about this? Did it straighten out? Anyone know if this car is drive by wire? or the traditional cable set up?
Mar 15, 2004 (10:23 am)
I've read the '01 RAV is drive-by-wire, and I assume all newer models are too.
Mar 21, 2004 (8:35 am)
600 lbs should be fine. Consider this, if you had 4 adults each weighing... say 185 lbs. That would put you at over 700 lbs. The Rav4 was designed to carry 5 people. In my opinion you should be okay.
I wish some current Rav4 owners would post here more often.
As of today I have yet to buy my Rav4. They won't give me much for my trade-in so I'm trying to sell it before I buy the Rav4. The two local dealers keep calling me about twice a week. I think when I do sell my car I'm going to get a deal on the Rav4 that I want. The funny thing about this is the CR-V prices here are dropping. You can get a 2004 CR-V AWD EX for 21k. But they would have to drop the price considerably for me to purchase a CR-V. The Price to Ugly factor ratio would change too. LOL