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Re: Changes [ab348] by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 10:56 am)

You didn't lose any functionality and you aren't going to. Why would we want you to lose the ability to track new messages posted in something you are interested in? That makes zero sense. What we do want is for people to have options in ways to track more (or less if they choose) and how they may want to track it.
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by user777
Dec 11, 2005 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 11:11 am)

yes, to be able to track new messages in subscribed forums (as we have always) *and* if so desired, track other things of interest to members.
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by ab348
Dec 11, 2005 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 11:11 am)

Sylvia the Host wrote: Why would we want you to lose the ability to track new messages posted in something you are interested in? That makes zero sense.
 
Well, just look back at the change history of the forums for lo these many years. In many cases it was 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards. Maybe given that, and the redirection of discussions here to blogs (those are also considered progress, I'm sure, even though it appears from the number of comments posted that few people visit them otherwise) you can understand my concern. I'm sure Inside Line is also considered progress, but I hate the way it has cluttered up and generally dominated the presentation of the forums. I come to Edmunds for the forums, not for all the other stuff. Maybe I'm a minority, I dunno.
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Re: Changes [ab348] by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 1:30 pm)

While I can see your skepticism, you will also have to admit that as a company and in Forums, we aren't on the same software with the same feature set we had back in 1997. Progress is progress and sometimes it is fantastic for everyone and for others they simply don't like the change. You see only your view and user experience. We see the personal experience of all users combined with the stats on what people are using, how they are using it and what they aren't using and find out why.
 
I really can't speak to anything outside of community. Blogs are a great move forward as they are popular in the community culture and are drawing in new people who otherwise wouldn't participate at the site. Some of them will cross over and also participate in Forums, others will not. I've already seen some names that only posted a few times in Forums be extremely active in the blogs. That doesn't make you right or them wrong. It simply means that we are expanding our community tools to find places to meet the needs and cater to a growing community user base. After all, it would be pretty boring if we had the same people in here day in and day out with no new blood. So, keep the old-timers happy best you can and attract new people to show them what a great place the Forums can be.
 
Bottom line is you are upset about a link title being changed. While I'm truly sorry such a change has upset you to this extent, I can tell you that it probably won't be changing back given the amount of data (emails, stats, tracking, etc.) that we have telling us the change will help others use a feature that you have already found to be so helpful.
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by mac24
Dec 11, 2005 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 2:09 pm)

Ok, won't complain about 'My Tracked Items' (though it does sound rather like early 90's 'Microsoft Speak'), as it does the same as Message Center used to, and on my screen at least, remains in the same place.
 
However, would someone like to point me at the blogs that we're apparently being encouraged to move to. I see no obvious links here at the sides, top, or bottom.
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by ab348
Dec 11, 2005 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 2:09 pm)

Sylvia the Host said: Bottom line is you are upset about a link title being changed.
 
One last point and I'm done: No, it's not just that, although whenever I see things changed from being understandable to less so -- anywhere in cyberland -- I shake my head. No, what troubles me is the incessant tinkering with the forums over the years that has seldom improved things, but has almost invariably led to increased user confusion and functionality problems at best, or tighter limits on what the forums provide at worst.
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Re: Changes [ab348] by pat HOST
Dec 11, 2005 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 4:14 pm)

Well, the good news this time is that we got back on line way sooner than expected, pages are being served up at lightening speed and the only thing that was visibly changed was the name of a few links.
 
Enjoy the holidays.
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Re: Changes [ab348] by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 4:14 pm)

Well, I'm going to disagree with you. Since 1997 we have made numerous changes - most of them for the good (hey, we do have some slips here and there).
 
I could send you the very slim feature set we had at one time...in the days when discussions were always stopped at 1,000 because the system would break; where creating a discussion with a typo had to live because you couldn't correct/edit it; where users didn't have the ability to edit; where you didn't have a preview function; where you were forced down lines of different boards whether you liked it or not because there wasn't the ability to browse by make/model but instead had to go to the vans board for the Odyssey and M&R for the mechanics of it and if you wanted to buy it, well, head to Smart Shopper; don't forget search - hate to have you go back to where you only had search in the board and not across all boards (so you needed 16 searches).
 
  So, yes, let's leave this as one of those agree to disagree situations.
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Re: Changes [mac24] by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: mac24 (Dec 11, 2005 2:23 pm)

Sure, here you go:
 
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline (automotive news blog)
 
http://blogs.edmunds.com/karl - Editor Karl Brauer's blog
 
http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies - Our resident buying experts' blog
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by cdnpinhead
Dec 11, 2005 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 4:58 pm)

Hang in there, Sylvia.
 
I've been with you through most of this, and overall things are much better these days.
 
"Well Engaged" had its place, but now we're here. Here is not bad.

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