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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by ab348
Dec 09, 2005 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 09, 2005 5:32 am)

With respect, hosts, I spend a lot of time on all sorts of different message boards and nobody that I have seen is using terminology like this. Most have something like "join discussion" or "subscribe to this forum". While I agree the term "message center" was confusing at first, it turned into the way I read the discussions on here, and this new terminology is worse and more confusing IMO. Now, over time people will get used to it -- heck, you could probably use gibberish terms and they would get used to those too -- but it would be nice if the words conveyed what the function does.
 
So it may become what seems like a site-wide saved search? That's not what I want from that function -- I want to be able to see a list of discussions I have chosen to take part in that have new posts. I don't want to see everything dealing with GM, for example, just the specific discussion about GMs survival that I joined. Don't try to be too cute with this stuff -- surely by now we've learned that simpler is better and that gee-whiz gimmickry generally loses its luster pretty quickly.
 
I am concerned about the future of the forums. While it may be true that a discussion with over 10,000 posts gets unwieldy over time, there is a reason it got that way -- it was a popular subject, and lots of people read it and posted their views. Making it read-only and forcing that traffic to a bunch of blogs that I have no interest in following seems a pretty clear message as to what the future here will look like -- if you wanted to break down that big discussion, certainly it would make more sense to create several new forums HERE, not bounce people somewhere else entirely. You are sending people away from here. That is certainly one way to have more focused discussions here, because there will only be a handful of people remaining once you have sent most of them to other places.
 
Perhaps some day the folks that run the forums will realize that they had a pretty good thing if only they had stopped changing it a couple of years ago. Every time changes happen to these forums, it seems a step backwards.
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Re: Changes [ab348] by user777
Dec 09, 2005 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 09, 2005 3:14 pm)

ab348: you make some good points, but the thing is, Edmunds is clearly much much more than other automotive sites serving up a number of discussions, many without any personalization.
 
if all you ever wanted, want, or shall want to do is track a number of specific forums which you've subscribed to (or shall i say decided to track), then I'm sure, that's all you'll be served up by the site when you visit "My Tracked Items".
 
Edmunds is apparently growing to allow you and me and everone else to have it your way, my way, and for the thousands and thousands of other members, their way.
 
I'm predominately interested in Hondas; I don't read many if any forums (maybe one) today re: GM (not that they aren't interesting - just not to me); I read some Ford and Chrysler stuff. Generally, I want to read a select number of Honda P+S forums, and maybe I'd find it really convenient to have new Reviews on Honda Vehicles readied for me; maybe any TestDrives, or Insider Reports on Honda. Maybe any change in promotions or incentives on same... just to mention this as one example.
 
Somebody else might not be interested in discussions / forums at all.
 
It looks to me like they are going to accomodate levels of personalization which I don't think you'll find common with these other automotive sites, or most sites (regardless of domain of interest).
 
And, if by chance someday you choose to peruse the information of interest to you in a less filtered / structured / organized manner, you'll be able to do that too.
 
Very slick stuff are possible, but few are doing it.
 
I think they are pushing the envelope here, and we need to hang with them while they make good on possibilities while other sites are left in our collective rear view mirror.
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Three Things by cdnpinhead
Dec 09, 2005 (6:01 pm)
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1) It's now much faster, both at work with the T1 line & at home with a (OMG) dial-up. Thank you.
 
2) It was done more quickly than advertised & was advertised before the fact. Again, thank you.
 
3) The terminology is a bit strange, but since I always used the thing in the present "my tracked items" space for what I need to do most of the time, I'm okay.
 
Overall, this was the least intrusive of the major changes you've made.
 
I think it's called progress.
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I agree with one thing by johnclineii
Dec 09, 2005 (6:36 pm)
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The positioning of "Remove Track" at the bottom of each discussion is TERRIBLE. All kinds of people are going to be unsubsr...er...removing tracks when they really just wanted to read the discuss...er, track.
 
And, oh yeah, the names of things really are a bit insipid.
 
Sometimes, I swear, this great place seems to change things just because they can or must.
 
Oh well....
 
And I am STILL having the same old issue of having the numbers of new er items covered up by advertisments for video thingies. This was going to be fixed weeks ago, but I see it is still not.
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Read New Posts by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (8:53 am)
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Will be back where the Read Subscriptions link was at the bottom of the screen on 12/15 (probably towards the end of the day).
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Re: Changes [steve_] by ab348
Dec 11, 2005 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 09, 2005 10:06 am)

Steve the Host wrote: "I like it - tracks fit into an auto theme nicely."
 
Or, continuing in a transportation theme, "off track", as in, where all of these changes are taking us...
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Re: Changes [ab348] by Sylvia STAFF
Dec 11, 2005 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 9:40 am)

Let's see,,, members complained that they couldn't track entire boards - only discussions - so we expanded the functionality to include this (and not exclude the ability to track individual discussions). In all honesty, other than that expansion of the functionality this was completely a naming change. Why? As explained before - many more people complained than who use the feature that "Subscriptions" was too much like signing up to get a newsletter. The term conveyed more of a commitment than it really was. Track is more friendly, is used in numerous systems (C|Net Forums for example) and gives us the opportunity to expand on how you might be able to track things in the future. Perhaps you want to have your Tracked Items list (e.g. boards and discussions) and you want to be notified on only 1 item in that entire list by email if something new is posted. That is a feature we get a request for at least once per week.
 
There are a number of other features that the regular members and others have been requesting and we are in the process of working on a number of them. At the same time we look to maintain features that you are familiar with now...which is the reason why we didn't simply rip out the subscriptions feature. Many systems don't allow you to select what you want to track - you have to take the entire community which you can imagine is painful in a community of our size.
 
Personalization tools in a community this big are very important. However, they should be easy and familiar for those who aren't as savvy or experienced as many of you are in online communities.
 
Hope that helps.
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Re: Changes [Sylvia] by ab348
Dec 11, 2005 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Dec 11, 2005 9:57 am)

But Sylvia,, c'mon... there are only 16 boards in total. How hard is it for someone to navigate to one of those? I'm not saying you didn't get those requests becasue if you say you did, then you did. But it seems a very strange thing in all honesty. I find it hard to believe anyone would want to "track" (ack) a board like sedans with all of the different discussions in there.
 
In any event my gripe is with the wording used. It doesn't make sense, but if you think it does, then fine. I just hope that when all these new whiz-bang features get piled on top of this "track" function that you don't lose what I use it for: to follow discussions that I'm subscribed to that have new activity.
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Re: Changes [ab348] by jaxs1
Dec 11, 2005 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: ab348 (Dec 11, 2005 10:56 am)

The remove track thing is a huge annoyance. The first annoyance is the location of the link in the same position "read subscriptions" was, so people keep clicking on it by mistake.
The second annoyance is that "remove track" isn't intuitive to the meaning. It really doesn't matter that the person who made this up knows what it's supposed to mean.
Even if you stick with the "track" wording, "stop tracking this discussion" or something else that describes what it does without jargon would be easier to understand.

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