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#11472 of 13618 2004 Impala SS :Johnclineii
Feb 18, 2003 (6:43 pm)
Pricing is always a consideration when purchasing a new vehicle. For sure the Impala SS isn't going to be cheap. Everything has a cost. Fat 17" wheels + tires, beefed suspension, gauge package, SS badging etc. The 2004 SS will be a specialty car in Chevys lineup like the 1994-1996 SS was. Most of those sold for list price.. From the 1960's onward top of the line Pontiac models always offered more options then top of the line chevys...The Grand Prix has been around since I believe 1962...the interiors, dashboards etc...were always superior to the the Impala SS cars back then and today.(Pontiac has always been known as the Sport Division) The Impala is the working mans car. Designed for Police and Taxi service. 75% of Impalas sold are base models. The Pontiac GTP offers a great looking dash board and interior much more superior to the current Impala LS....I am sure the new Impala SS will be over 30K but the new GTP nearing $32..the Mazda 6 whats that about $20-22 K?......as I stated in my last post....Pontiac was due for their updated Grand Prix (1997-2004) the Impala (2000-2006) Maybe you can buy a new Grand Prix/Mazda 6 this spring then buy the new Impala SS in 06'...Sound like a plan?.........
Feb 18, 2003 (6:55 pm)
Cars last me about three years, max. Somehow, I don't see myself staying with GM this time. Quite frankly, some of Lutz's cost cutting on the Impala I find off-putting: the unlit PRNDL especially. I owned a 98 GTP and loved it as well, it had 77k on it when I traded it for the Impala, but I was offered such a great deal on the Impala (I wasn't even really looking) that I couldn't pass it up.
The 6, equipped as I want it, would be about 24k. The GM cars have much better incentives, though the deal on the GTP remains to be seen. Pricing has been released, and will run about 30k for the GTP as I would want it. The Pontiac dealer here is EXCELLENT, and that is a consideration. I bet the GTP will be less than the Impala SS. I also have a GM card with an earning allowance stacked up on it.
Still, that 6 is calling me. I may very well answer soon!
#11474 of 13618 PRNDL/johnclineii
Feb 18, 2003 (10:00 pm)
I thought I was the only one that noticed that! I have a 2001 and hadn't paid much attention until I went to see the 2003 Sport and looked inside, noticed the PRNDL was missing! (and the coin holder, etc.)
Also, have you seen what they did to cheapen the base? On the 2003 base its that cheap plastic runners, what were they thinking?
#11475 of 13618 GM /Mazda 6 : Johnclineii
Feb 19, 2003 (7:01 am)
If and when you test drive the Mazda 6 and Grand Prix let us know how you feel about each.....I always like to hear pros/cons of current cars especially ones that suit my needs & desires....There is no doubt the Impala needs major interior and exterior freshening....
#11476 of 13618 reply charts2
Feb 19, 2003 (8:37 am)
I don't see what the fuss is about the 03 LS interior. It's a two tone beige with dark trim, very appealing IMO. For under $18K with GM card earnings, rebates and discounts I would say this vehicle is a steal with the content that's standard; IMO styling and safety also beat Camry and Accord.
Feb 19, 2003 (8:39 am)
I am still in the process of selling my 2001 Impala LS. Have had some interested parties here and there but none have come close to an agreeable price. I still have plenty of time to sell the car, so we'll see.
I, for one, like the new '04 Impala SS but I think it is 3 years too late to market. The '04 SS would have been a killer car for Chevy to offer back in late '99/ early '00 because at the time Ford had just axed the '99 Taurus SHO sedan. A 240HP Supercharged Impala would have given the late Taurus SHO a complete run for the money. Today that is questionnable because even a '03 Accord with a normal aspirated V6 engine with 240HP can keep up with it and may be outrun it.
Chevy missed a golden opportunity by delaying the SS for so long. They had the hardware back then to make it possible....why hesitate so much?
I think the 5.7L V8 FWD Impala SS prototype was interesting but the torque steer and production costs issues put it in the back burner. How much is the '04 SS going to be?? $30K??? Insane!!
GM knows that the secret to its long term market success in the car arena is to go back to RWD platforms, so I hope that by 2006/07 the Impala goes back to RWD and offer optional V8 engines.
The current Impala is a terrific car, but GM in their wisdom, have not done much of anything to keep it fresh and appealing year after year. A 2003 Impala looks essentially the same as a 2000 Impala...see the problem??
#11478 of 13618 reply drivinisfun
Feb 19, 2003 (8:53 am)
Not really, since they try to keep the sheet metal the same for at least five years to avoid the expense of retooling.
As long as Chevrolet retains the Corvette and leadership in auto racing they will have a performance image, and IMO they will never satisfy the die-hard performance fans who want RWD and lots of hp because of the pressure on oil prices, gov't regulations and the cost to redesign their vehicles in an uncertain market. Remember when Chrysler almost went out of business selling RWD cars? Just my opinion.
Feb 19, 2003 (9:09 am)
I disgree Pluto. Daimler-Chrysler is making a move back to RWD as they phase out the current FWD LH cars. Detroit has always been known for RWD, large displacement engines, lots of HP in an affordable package. I don't buy the oil prices and goverment regulations argument...why? because of the proliferation of SUVs in the last decade. SUVs are the most fuel inneficient vehicles in the market, yet the vast majority of them don't have to pay Gas Guzzler taxes, including the new Hummer H2 which is a dressed up Chevy Suburban.
Bob Lutz has recognize the need for GM to recapture their role in the car performance arena and as a last minute resort they are importing the Australian Golden Monaro V8 Coupe and reselling it here as the '04 Pontiac GTO. The car is controversial but it is the move in the right direction IMO.
GM should capitalize in the utter market failure of the current Mercury Marauder and speed up the development of viable and superior RWD car platforms. The Marauder doesn't have the balls to live up to its name. Those 94-96 Impala SS continue to fetch very good resale values.
I am drooling over that sweet and sexy Chevy SS concept presented last month at the International Detroit Auto Show. GM can do it and they are showing willingness to go in that direction.
Furthermore, let the new '04 Chevy Malibu do the fight against its immediate FWD competition (Accord/Camry/Altima/Passat). The Impala is in a whole different class and GM should capita;ize on the success of the current FWD to bring back a "gotta have" RWD Impala sedan in the future.
Lutz, are you listening?
#11480 of 13618 Rattling Brake Problem Solved!!
Feb 19, 2003 (9:27 am)
Thanks to sunsession in the Intrigue thread.
I wonder how many ISS lube kits have been performed when it wasn't that at all?
Brakes - Rattling Noise
File In Section: 05 - Brakes
Bulletin No.: 01-05-23-O11A
Date: February, 2002
Rattle Type Noise Coming from Front of Vehicle
(Install Front Brake Caliper Service Kit)
2000-01 Buick Century, Regal
2000-01 Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo, Venture
2000-01 Oldsmobile Intrigue, Silhouette
2000-01 Pontiac Grand Prix, Montana
This bulletin is being revised to remove Chevrolet Lumina from the Models
section and to update the condition information. Please discard Corporate
Bulletin Number 01-05-23-11 (Section 05 - Brakes).
Built Prior to the VIN Breakpoints shown.
Some customers may comment about a rattle type noise coming from the front of
the vehicle. This noise usually occurs at vehicle speeds under 48 km/h (30 mph)
and while driving over bumps. The noise can usually be eliminated by a light
application of the brake pedal.
This condition may be caused by too much clearance between the front brake
caliper bracket and the caliper pins in the bottom of the bracket bores.
Install front brake caliper service kits to both sides of the vehicle using the
following service procedure. Each kit contains 2 pins, 2 boots, and 2 packets of
1.Raise and suitably support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the
Vehicle in General Information.
2.Remove both the front tire and wheel assemblies.
3.Hand tighten 2 wheel nuts to retain the rotor to the hub.
4.Install a large C-clamp (2) over the top of the brake caliper and
against the back of the outboard brake pad.
5.Tighten the C-clamp until the caliper piston is pushed into the caliper
bore enough to slide the caliper off the rotor.
6.Remove the C-clamp from the caliper.
7.Remove the caliper pin bolts (3) and discard. New bolts are supplied
with the service kit.
8.Remove the caliper (1) from the caliper bracket (2) and support the
caliper with heavy mechanic's wire, or equivalent.
9.Using a flat bladed tool or punch, carefully tap the caliper pin boots
from the brake caliper bracket and discard.
10.Remove and discard the bushings from the brake caliper bracket bores.
Carefully insert a small screwdriver into the brake caliper bracket bore,
then rotate and pull the bushing outward to remove.
11.Remove the brake pads from the brake caliper bracket.
12.Thoroughly clean the brake caliper bracket bores of all lubricant.
13.Install the brake pads to the brake caliper bracket.
14.Lubricate the brake caliper bracket bores. Divide the large packet of
grease, P/N 18046532; put one-half packet into each bore.
15.Lubricate the new caliper pin boots. Use the small packet of grease,
P/N 18046645, only on the bottom internal threads (2).
16.Install the new caliper pin boots into the caliper pin bores (3) on the
bracket. Carefully tap boots into bores using a deep well socket or
17.Install the caliper over the rotor and onto the caliper bracket. Ensure
that the caliper pin boots are not pinched.
Important :The leading caliper pin, or top pin, has a bushing as part of the
assembly. The trailing caliper pin, or bottom pin, is a solid design.
18.Install the new caliper pin bolts (1). It is important to note which
caliper pin is designed for the correct bore. The leading caliper pin, or
top pin, has a bushing as part of the assembly. The trailing caliper pin,
or bottom pin, is a solid design. Ensure that the bolt boots fit securely
in the groove of the pin bolts. Be sure not to pinch or tear the boots. If
the boots are damaged, they must be replaced.
Tighten the bolts to 95 N.m (70 lb ft).
19.Remove the 2 wheel nuts retaining the rotor to the hub.
20.Repeat the above steps for the other side.
21.Install both the front tire and wheel assemblies. Tighten the wheel
nuts using the J 39544 kit.
22.Lower the vehicle.
Parts are currently available from GMSPO.
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use the table.
b4z--I just had this work done on my 2000. No More rattling. (Ken)
#11481 of 13618 reply drivinsfun
Feb 19, 2003 (9:35 am)
I agree, importing the Monaro is a great idea. But if I wanted performance I would just go ahead and buy the 03 Covette, the best production sports car available IMO.
Most of the truck based SUVs will have to be redesigned to meet new safety regs and because fewer people will buy them with gas selling above $2. That will take lots of retooling. If GM and DC go to RWD they will essentially cede the sedan market to the asian manufacturers, leaving them to duel it out with the euros for a minor share, not a likely senario. You can believe Lutz is listening to the cash register.