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#972 of 1161 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers.
Apr 20, 2006 (11:15 am)
I finished driving a 2006 Hybrid accord and then drove the 2006 Acura TL. The engine on the Hybrid wasn't much different than the TL although the system made it feel like the breaks were slipping when at a complete stop. I may have been doing something wrong since I've just took it for a test drive and have no hybrid experience. I really liked the look and the feel of the Acura.
I want the luxury of the 2006 TL but there were 3 deal breakers that will force me to wait while I check out the lexus offerings.
The gas mileage on the 2006 isn't much different from my 2001 TL - I will not buy a car unless it is at least 20% better on gas. I wish there was a HYBRID TL with MUCH better gas mileage. Let's face it - gas prices are not EVER going to get to a "reasonable price" again. I won't be surprised if it is up to $4 per gallon in 2 years. But it isn't just about the money - I won't save money by going hybrid - it is about the resources and time.
The noise level of the 2006 is slighly better than my 2001 but it doesn't even compete with a nice Toyota in my opinion. They REALLY REALLY need to improve the sound since I spend a great deal of time in my car on my BT headset.
The navigation system is behind the curve. I want to be able to say 1200 Main Street, anytown, anystate and have it pull up the address. The accord nav is closer to this than the 2006 TL and the newest nav units can do this pretty well so it should be replaced in 2007.
#973 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [boe_d]
Apr 20, 2006 (1:58 pm)
In response to your three "deal breakers", I would offer the following. For reference, I own a 2004 TL 6-speed w/ Nav.
(1) Gas mileage: The current generation TL isn't great on gas, but reasonable for a car of its performance. I average only 16-17 in city/mixed driving, but 28-30+ on the highway. On the other hand, compared to your 2001 TL, the current TL is considerably quicker, at least when I compare my 6-speed to any previous TL or TL-S model. If the 20%+ better performance isn't important to you, and you would rather have 20% better mileage, you need to shop for a less powerful car.
(2) I spend a great deal of time in my car on my BT headset.(??) I assume you mean you WOULD be spending a great deal of time on the bluetooth phone system that comes integrated into the TL? I have never had an issue with road noise interfering with phone conversations and the standard bluetooth phone system in the TL is as good as any on the market. Again, however, you should consider that the TL, especially the 6-speed, is more oriented towards precise handling than road isolation.
(3) Nav system - Again, the nav system in my 2004 TL (and our 2005 MDX) are extremely functional, accurate and easy to use. Far better than the navigation system in our new Porsche 911. I would hardly make a choice of car based upon which one allowed you to speak an address into the system. Within 2-3 years any system today will be "behind the curve" in frivolous features, but the good ones (like the TL) will still be highly functional. If you are a slave to electronic gadgetry, make sure you opt for a 24 month lease on whatever you get and be prepared to pay the price.
Perhaps a Toyota/Lexus is a better choice for you if the performance orientation of the TL isn't a priority. Their engineers seem to use Buick as the model of driving dynamics, which is a non starter for me. But they are very reliable and aesthetically attractive cars.
#974 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [habitat1]
Apr 20, 2006 (3:08 pm)
"But they are very reliable and aesthetically attractive cars."
We're talking Toyota, right? Reliable? Probably. Aesthetically attractive? Hmmm....
#975 of 1161 Re: Moonroofs, stickshifts.... [kennyg8]
Apr 20, 2006 (3:12 pm)
"...having a sunroof does not provide much enjoyment for most of the year because it simply is too darn cold up there."
C'mon, kenny, we don't live in igloos, you know!
It's not that it's too cold or hot. For me, pushing the A/C button is much simpler, and more comfy. And I don't look at the stars much. Usually I'm too busy looking at the girls walking on the sidewalk!
#976 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [boe_d]
Apr 20, 2006 (3:24 pm)
I honestly find the TL fairly quiet. I test drove an RX330 last year, and I didn't find it appreciably quieter, if at all.
If anything, I find the TL a bit boring to drive. Mind you, I have the automatic version. After a couple of years, the driving experience is a bit ho-hum. And I agree about the gas mileage, and gas prices issue. I do a lot of puttering around town and almost no highway trips, given my current life schedule, and I get just horrific mpg. All things considered, I'm seriously thinking of trading down to a Honda Fit, which would be ideal for buzzing around town, and I can spin it off to the kids in a year or 2, leaving my option open for a Bimmer, preferrably on a low-interest lease! Do it now, and I can still end up with some meaningful $$ in my pocket. Wait another couple years, and I'm not sure I can psychologically stomach swapping even a 4-yr-old TL for a Fit straight up.
#977 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [bodble2]
Apr 23, 2006 (7:58 am)
"We're talking Toyota, right? Reliable? Probably. Aesthetically attractive? Hmmm...."
I meant the Lexus side of the Toyota/Lexus reference with respect to aesthetically attractive. But even at that, I ws trying to be kind. I personally find it hard to find anything attractive that doesn't have good driving dynamics underneath and, so far, nothing from Lexus has impressed me.
#978 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [bodble2]
Apr 23, 2006 (8:04 am)
A TL to a Fit seems like a tough psychological adjustment. Ever considered a Mini-Cooper S? I have personally never driven or ridden in one but a college buddy of mine in California got one for his wife to use as a comuter when she isn't hauling the kids around in their SUV. Now he often uses it instead of his E430 Mercedes, claiming that it is a real hoot to drive around town. Plus, they seem to hold their value exceptionally well.
#979 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [habitat1]
Apr 23, 2006 (8:55 am)
I hear ya. But even strictly aesthetic, which Lexus, other than the IS series, could sell on looks alone?
#980 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [habitat1]
Apr 23, 2006 (9:11 am)
Yes, that's exactly the mental dilemma I'm wrestling aroung with. Even though the Fit "fits" our current lifestyle, and I will get a chunk of cash back on the move, I look at my TL, arguably one of the best-looking cars on the road, and so well-equipped for the price, then I look at the FIT, which has a kind of funky-odd-duckling look at best, and more or less devoid of most creature-comfort items.... But then I see gas prices have gone up again... Also, I realize if you don't get max use out of a car, no matter how nice, it just becomes a depreciating ornament!
My wife already has a Mini Cooper, and I too, find every chance I get to drive it because it IS a blast to drive around town, in a quirky but charming kind of way.
I even thought of trading down to something less spartan, like the new Golf. But my Acura dealer also owns a Honda dealer, and I would get a much more favourable trade allowance there then I would anywhere else.
#981 of 1161 Re: 2006 TL - 3 deal breakers. [bodble2]
Apr 23, 2006 (11:55 am)
Yeah, $3+ per gallon sucks.
However, so does the depreciation hit on a trade, if you really want to end up with a BMW in a couple of years. On the other hand, if the Fit stays in the family, at least you are avoiding the double whammy of trading now and trading again in 2 years.
I was just looking at my mileage logbook for my old 1995 Nissan Maxima that resides at our second home. 155,085 miles on the odometer (only about 2,000 in the last 2 years). Total of 6,450 gallons 1.41/gal = $9,248 in gas for 155k miles at an average of 24.05 mpg. Today, putting 155k miles on an Acura TL with an overall average of 19.8 mpg $3.00 per gallon would cost $23,484. That's a 154% increase and more than I spent to buy the Maxima in late 1994.