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#4396 of 5876 Regarding Radio options on 2003 Aurora
Jul 02, 2003 (5:04 pm)
I bought a new 2003 Aurora Collector's Edition(Final 500) in April/May. I test drove 4 different regular Auroras between November 2002 and March 2003. 3 had the BOSE 8-speaker system, with one of those being the Navigational radio, and 1 with the STANDARD 6-speaker system. I took along a good sounding cassette and CD to listen to on 3 of those test drives to test the sound of the systems.
The STANDARD radio sounded terrible to me. The sound quality was far below what the BOSE systems put out. I have a 1990 Oldsmobile Touring Sedan that I bought used with the factory BOSE sound system during that era and I have been spoiled on BOSE every since. I knew that the STANDARD system was going to be subpar, but wanted to sample them all to prove it to myself.
The BOSE system is light years away from the STANDARD system. After comparing the new Aurora's system to my Touring Sedan's system, the system in the Aurora is even better still. When you crank the volume up really loud in a BOSE system, the sound doesn't get garbled, hissy, or cracklely like a lower quality system. It stays clear and even all the way through the volume range and you can hear every note and sound effect in your music clearly and precisely. Even the BOSE Navigational radio that I also tested to see how well it sounded with the voice prompts for telling you which way to go and turn when you entered a destination was clear and gave a surround-sound feeling. The extra 2 rear-door speakers and BOSE technology really transforms it into a excellent system. Actually, it was a no-brainer, must-have option that I definitely had to order on the Aurora when I talked with the dealer about getting one. I am completely sold on BOSE systems. You cannot go wrong with them. I have noticed that it is the most preferred factory optional audio system most prevalent in over 50% of all automaker carlines that you can buy. That tells you something about BOSE there.
Plus, when the factory stops stocking the BOSE radio and speakers and you can't get them fixed at the dealer, you can return your speakers to the BOSE factory and they will repair them to like-new sound for a reasonable charge. I know, because my Touring Sedan's speakers started going out on me and I could not longer get the parts for my car's system from the local dealer because they have been discontinued. I found out on the BOSE website that they can repair your BOSE speakers for you. I contacted them about the particulars, took them out of the car, send to the BOSE repair center, and got them back in a week. They sound brand new again. You won't be able to do that with the GM STANDARD speakers.
Having given my two cents, I think that you should pass on this Aurora with the STANDARD system and get one that has the BOSE system. I don't think that you will be happy with the BASE radio at all and will kick yourself later for it. Also, why not consider buying a Collector's Edition Aurora with the optional BOSE system. You will then have something really special that only 500 people will have the pleasure of owning and might be a real collectible car one day should you keep in showroom condition and keep the miles off of it. I know where several are in the Southeast area if you want one.
Jul 03, 2003 (7:32 am)
Steve: What usually kills my mileage is when my wife wants to drive her mother grocery shopping. I can work all week in coasting and pacing stop lights and it is all for not after she putts around in it.
I think that's it right there, Steve. It is very hard to bring the mileage up after a reasonable amount of poor-mileage driving. If you are getting decent mileage on the instant mpg (or if you reset it for your trips just to see) then it sounds like it is just the way the car is driven. Nothing you can really do about that... That's just how it is... It's easy to bring 20mpg down to 16-17, but it is difficult to bring 16mpg back up to 20... what can you do...
Jul 03, 2003 (12:06 pm)
Bryan - I have a 98 with the Bose. A friend just bought a 2003 with the standard stereo. We compared them back to back and with the standard stereo set to a "jazz" setting - it sounded identical to my 98 Bose. Other settings did not sound as good. Of course "jazz" boosts the low and high end. My Bose has no such adjustment other than bass and treble - but I leave those straight up - neutral.
Bottom line - I found the standard stereo in the 2003 to be every bit as good as the bose in my 98. I can't imaging there is a big difference between Bose in 98 and now. Perhaps a little.
#4399 of 5876 Garnes - 2003 Aurora radios
Jul 03, 2003 (1:30 pm)
It 'sounds' like you did a good test comparison of a BOSE system vs. a NON-BOSE system(pun intended). Also, consider that the new bodystyle is different from the original Aurora. I'm sure that they worked on the acoustics of the new bodystyle and tried to improve on quietness, sound blocking, and matched the BOSE speakers sound to the new car as they do with every car their products are in. I'd like to hear how the BOSE in the first generation sounds against the second generation Auroras. I know that my new Aurora BOSE system sounds even better than in my Touring Sedan. It also only has bass, treble, and front-to-rear speaker control buttons.
Just some food for thought!
#4400 of 5876 What should I pay for a demo?
Jul 04, 2003 (12:02 am)
I am considering purchasing an '03 Olds Aurora with 4,600+ miles on it. The dealer offered me $3,000 for my trade-in, when I wanted $3,500. He said he could go no lower than invoice as if it was a law or something. I got him to go $500 below invoice, but I figured he was going to add it to the trade-in. Because these cars are no longer being produced and are hard to find, does this sound like a reasonable deal or are they still asking too much with that many miles on the car?
Jul 04, 2003 (5:34 am)
You are saying they will give you new-car invoice for a used car? Sorry, but I think you are getting screwed. The cars are not that hard to find new, and certainly not used. There are still 03's and even 02's out there new though. I paid essentially invoice minus $1,900 GM Card dollars and got basically 0% financing, and I ordered my car to my specifications. No way I would pay that for one that was used. Hell, if you were buying it new, you could get invoice as you are now, plus about $3,000 in cash back. So you are paying more because it has almost 5,000 miles on it. That's crazy.
I did an Edmund's pricing on a 2002 with 4,600 miles, and every option but the nav system. The Edmund's certified price was just over $25,000. I would say this is a lot closer to what you should consider paying.
You are pretty much in control. Aurora's in a lot of areas are just languishing on the lots. The longer they sit there, the more money the dealer is losing. If you are willing to pay invoice (before all the cash-back), get a new one. If you want that demo, pay a lot under invoice. If the dealer gives you crap, leave. Find another one. The dealer sounds like a jerk anyway, so why buy from them and have to deal with them in the future?
#4402 of 5876 Thanks RJS & Demo& BOSE
Jul 04, 2003 (5:35 am)
I think you are right. I guess I should quit whining about mileage. When I get the Aurora paid off in 2 years, she wants a new car and it looks like the CTS-V 400 HP version. I am sure that will require the top grade of gas.But I keep telling her "Daddy needs the Caddy".
AWC- We bought brand new when we did because the difference in price between NEW and DEMO was not anything to get excited about. Like 2K or 3K.
KEN....BUY THE BOSE SYSTEM...
#4403 of 5876 New GM info is out
Jul 05, 2003 (6:34 am)
Go to http://media.gm.com and they have info up about all the 2004 models including the GTO, new Malibu, and the Bonnie GXP. The GXP will have a Northstar 4.6 with 275hp and a 3.71 final drive. Fuel economy isn't listed, but I'm quite curious. I guess Pontiac is allowed to have a 4.6, just not Oldsmobile. I suppose that's because the Aurora was really a competitor to Caddy whereas a 4.6 Bonnie is too boy-racer to steal Seville buyers... The GXP has 14"/13" brakes, though. I wonder if those would fit on the Aurora...
Jul 05, 2003 (8:20 am)
In response to a post complaining that there were no new issues on this board, thought I would check in.
I bought a 2001 4.0 in 12/2001 with 9000 miles--I now have 38000 on the odometer and frankly, the car has been so trouble free that I really haven't had to keep up with the board.
I did have some trim issues that were handled by the dealer without complaint--three of the vents on the dash broke vanes (?) and had to be replaced and one trim piece on the pillar at the windshield came loose. Other than these items, there has been no reason for taking them in.
The car's performance has been great. I average about 24mpg on highway and right at 20 around town. I keep very good records on the gas consumption and have documented every fill up.
I live in the intermountain west, lots of grades and some steep ones and these are no problem with this car--even the narrow winding roads are comfortable--the car never loses its stability and, interestingly, I never get a stability warning from the suspension system, except a couple of times on ice.
I have noticed that the cruise control, upon resuming will not upshift the transmission correctly--the revs stay up in the 3500 range even when the desired speed is achieved. This is annoying but a tap on the brakes and resetting takes care of the problem.
Have taken some long trips and on one I drove, in winter conditions from Southeast Idaho to McPherson Kansas in 18 hrs. That was about 1200 miles, some of which was on snowy roads--the car went thru with complete confidence.
My only complaint with the car is that it lacks the trunk space I need. I say this because my wife and I golf and when both our bags are in the trunk there is very little space for the luggage and we do have to put too much in the back seat for my comfort. I believe this may be a problem that has no real solution--I don't know of a car that I would drive that currently has a lot of space!
I am very pleased with the reliability of the car--I have no incidences of fear that the car will leave me stranded. On occassion in wet weather, I have had some "warning" lights come on that indicates a problem with the suspension but a reset takes care of it. I have noticed that in below zero weather, I will get a "Low Tire Pressure" warning but attribute that to the extreme cold.
All in all this has been a fine car. I like the styling, don't feel a bit "under luxury" in it and I especially like the fact that I don't meet myself every five minutes. We just returned from a trip to Torrey Pines and I think I only saw about five other new Auroras the whole way! Lordy, I saw more new dark green BMW 745s than that! I keep finding all sorts of things to enjoy--even the shelf area just above the ashtray and lighter is a perfect size to put a smaller framed handgun! It is out of sight, even when the ashtray door is opened! Now, I don't reccomend that to everyone but if one has a conceled weapons permit--this "shelf" fills the bill perfectly.
So, I am updated with all of you. I can't speak to the benefits of the Bose system because I don't hear all that well, find music irritating in a automobile environment which is, perhaps, the worst possible environment to have a stereo--no car, highway, or weather condition permits even the most rudimentary platform for the nuances of kind of music one should enjoy on the road. Course, if you are into rap crap, I guess a Bose system will get everyone's attention.
Jul 05, 2003 (9:07 am)
Hey, thanks for filling us in on your experiences with the Aurora. Mine has been completely trouble-free as well, though I've only got about 19,500 on my 2002 4.0. My 1st-to-2nd upshift is sort of hard, a little firmer than I'd expect and firmer than the other shifts, but it hasn't bothered me enough to take the car in. The new Aurora really seems to have been built solid.
Hey, you said: "the car has been so trouble free that I really haven't had to keep up with the board." Just so you know, this board isn't only about problems. Hopefully that will be the smallest part of the board. It's great just to hear about other people's experiences and enjoyment with the Aurora. That's really the reason I read this at all. If it were only a trouble board, I would have stopped reading long ago.
Anyway, great to hear from you and to hear about your car, and I look forward to hearing more in the future.
Hey Steve, you mentioned the CTS V-series as your next car. Looks like we might have identical garages. That car is really intriguing me as the Aurora replacement. We still have about 2 1/2 more years of paying off the 2002, though. But my wife likely be needing another car by then, and she loves the Aurora. So at this point the plan is to get a V-series. Who knows what the next Corvette will be like, though, or what other Caddies will be on the scene then. But a 400hp V8, 6-speed manual, plus 4-doors and a much nicer interior all for about the same price as a Z06 is pretty impressive. It's a whole lot of car, though not exactly at an Aurora price.