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#2382 of 5876 2002 Aurora Information
Feb 18, 2002 (9:49 am)
I am new to this board but I need some information from Oldsmobile Aurora or Intrigue owners of late model years. I am considering these two along with Lexus ES300, Buick Regal, Acura TL, Infiniti, and Toyota Camry. I have owned imports in the past and am very leary of going back to American cars because of the question of dependability. I would like some imput from late model Aurora owners(new style) and Intrigue owners concerning the dependability or lack-there-of in their cars. I would like gas mileage figures concerning the 3.5l engine. I also would like to know what the RPM figure is on the 3.5l engine at 70mph. I have also heard that one cannot change the battery without taking several other things apart first. Is this true?
Feb 18, 2002 (12:23 pm)
The battery is in the back seat. Removal is pretty easy, at least I think so.
I can't answer the rest of your questions; I've got a 4.0!
re: dependability: it's got a 5 year, 60k warranty. I think that's excellent!
I haven't had enough cars to ever experience a bad GM car.
88 Buick LeSabre, 220k miles, only added oil & gas & tires, + regular tuneups.
98 Trans Am, 64k miles, rear differential (warranty),
02 Oldsmobile Aurora: nothing yet! (knock on wood)
#2384 of 5876 IRL and Aurora cross-shopping
Feb 18, 2002 (12:24 pm)
That is interesting about the 4.0 size. However, Olds didn't get involved in IRL until 1997. The Aurora V-8 did compete in IMSA before IRL, but I'm not sure when, or what the engine requirements were for that. Also, the current IRL engine size limit is 3.5 liters, and they didn't downsize the passenger car version of it. I think I would subscribe to the theory that they didn't want to upstage Cadillac, and possibly that it was a little cheaper to produce.
Fredvh: You might check out posts in the 2000-2010 area and the 2200-2210 area. You will find some comparo info that has already been tossed around. As far as the battery, it is under the rear seat. However, how often do you plan on changing it? Don't know about the 3.5 cruising rpms because I have a 4.0. Same goes for mileage. I want to say it is around 2000 rpms at about 60-65 mph for the 4.0, and I can easily get 20 mpg in city-type driving if I am easy on it. Otherwise about 17-18 when I drive enthusiastically. I don't do much highway driving, but I can get about 26+ while on the highway. Driving style makes a difference, though. The 4.0 and 3.5 have different final-drive ratios, but they also have different transmissions.
Personally I think the Aurora smokes the ES300 for luxury and performance for the buck. And I think the ES and Camry are pretty unattractive. I can't get over the hideous gauges in the Camry. I don't care much for the wood coloring in the ES. The Camry has gauges inside gauges, so it is possible for needles to intersect. What the heck were they thinking?? The Regal GS is really an incredible performer. My dad has a 97 and I have raced him in my 87 Corvette a few times. It was quite close. That Regal can lay down a pretty serious rubber patch too. However, I think the Intrigue is a bit more refined and I like the styling a bit better (if only the spoiler and chrome wheels weren't included on the GLS).
#2385 of 5876 Resale value...
Feb 18, 2002 (2:47 pm)
If you're going to be reselling or trading in the car within the next 5 years, I'd avoid Olds entirely - resale values are pretty low (to the point where most leasing companies won't even touch an Olds - not that I'm a big fan of leasing, at least not for me).
The new Aurora (especially later 2001 and all 2002) seems to be relatively defect-free. Earlier Intrigues had problems with steering/brakes, but GM, as they always do, fixes the bugs (right before they kill the car - see the Fiero). There's still an alternator issue (flickering lights - see the Intrigue board).
The 3.5 has been out since the middle of the '99 model year, with no major recall or quality issues. Of course, it won't be made after the '02 model year, meaning the Intrigue and the Aurora 3.5 will end production as well (the Aurora 4.0 is supposed to soldier on for another year, but, with sales as low as they are, GM may axe the whole thing earlier than planned).
Just because something won't be made any longer isn't a reason not to buy it (can't buy a 2000 Camry any longer, can you? Doesn't mean it's not a bad car, or that parts aren't available). The pricing (relative to the Camry/ES300) and warranty are excellent, and, again, if you're going to keep this car for 5+ years, and don't have high resale expectations, you shouldn't pass up an Olds.
Hope this helps,
(98 Aurora Classic black/black/chromes/Autobahn/Bose
Feb 18, 2002 (2:54 pm)
1. Brilliant silver 2001 Aurora with 19,000 miles and 3.5 liter V-6 engine.
2. I just completed a 2300 mile round trip to south Florida over a two week span. 750 miles down, 800 miles around town, 750 miles back. Total fuel efficiency of 24.5 mpg on 87 octane from all different brands of gasoline. Highway speeds of 60 mph - 78 mph depending on posted limits. Occasional passing speeds of 80+ mph without any problem. Air conditioner on for almost the entire trip. Tire pressure at recommended 30 psig.
3. Maintenance has included switch to synthetic oil around 1500 miles, regular oil changes every 7500 miles, and tire rotation. Problems so far include an occasional low moan from the power steering unit (dealer technician can reproduce, but doesn't know what it is, and advises that unit is within spec, and doesn't consider it a safety hazard - so, I'm not worried), and one burned out rear fog lamp, which I hope to get changed under warranty. I went over the car with a fine tooth comb, and found no delivered defects - paint almost perfect, fit and finish very good, all systems operating per the owner's manual. Oh, yes, one minor delivered defect - the plastic window for the DIC (Drivers Information Center) at the top of the center stack has a few bubbles in it - - not noticeable except to a man in love with his car.
4. Personal opinion - - I love my car! Not one minute of buyer's remorse. Looked at the Lincoln LS and the Buick LeSabre and the Pontiac Bonneville. All good cars, but this one seemed to fit me the best for now. I'd buy another one tomorrow if I could afford it. (Wife might have a problem with me having two big boy toys at once.)
Feb 18, 2002 (3:52 pm)
FREDVH - one thing to consider is the growing realization that Toyota/Lexus apparently has a serious design issue that can contribute to sludge formation in the engine. Here is a link to the story. I don't know if this issue concerns brand new stuff on the lot right now.
The only thing I'd add to the story is that while a car may not be showing any signs of being affected by sludge, it may still have some lesser amount of accumulation which is enough to turn me off.
If you do go Toyota/Lexus, I'd use synthetic oil ALL the time to be safe.
#2388 of 5876 Question - Need Input
Feb 18, 2002 (4:07 pm)
Can any of you tell me the issue with premium fuel and the possible formation of deposits due to its use in the older Northstar engines? I've seen this issue on Cadillac boards. I've called Caddy dealers and they say they have not heard of this. Would/could this affect the older 4.0?? If so, wouldn't using a fuel injector cleaner periodically prevent this on parts that are exposed to the fuel like the injectors and valves?
Also - I'm considering having the fuel injectors, throttle body, etc cleaned by the local GM dealer with some special product they have. I can't remember the name of the product.
Is this OK?? Or am I just as well off regularly using fuel injector cleaners (every 3,000 to 5,000 miles) and then just having the throttle body butterfly separately cleaned??
Is there something better or special about what the dealer does????
I'm anticipating an oil change being needed shortly after they would do this if a lot of debris were released into the engine.
What do you think???
#2389 of 5876 So many questions...
Feb 19, 2002 (6:36 am)
Rocket3_50: Are the bubbles on the DIC there because there is a protective plastic sheet on it? I believe the display (as are most LCDs) is glass, not plastic. You might see if the protectant sheet just needs to be removed (like when you buy a watch or a clock).
Garnes: I've never heard of premium fuel leaving more deposits. It usually has more detergents in it to combat deposits. This is part of why it costs more. If you use regular fuel, then you might need injector cleaner. As far as cleaning the throttle body, you can do that yourself with throttle-body cleaner. All the crud will either run out the front of the throttle body (some newspaper under the mouth will catch ith, unless you plan on running the engine while using the cleaner) or will get burned off in the engine after you reassemble it and start the engine up. It will also help clean out the intake manifold. However, it mainly keeps the throttle body from gumming up and sticking. I doubt enough crud builds up to affect airflow at all. The crud is like a thin layer on the walls of everything. It isn't thick or chunky or anything. More like a haze. There are some injector cleaners that involve hooking up a pressurized canister to the fuel line. This might work better than a fuel additive, but that doesn't mean that is what the dealer will do.
I would ask what exactly they will do first. If they don't do anything special, then just do it yourself. Cleaning the throttle body is a breeze, and you can make sure you get everything off. You might try gently brushing it with a toothbrush or something if it is real dirty.
If you use premium fuel, I wouldn't worry about using injector cleaner all that often. I would be a bit worried about what that stuff does to an engine when used so often. Gasoline has certain standards to be approved by the auto makers association (can't remember the exact name) while those additives don't have to meet anything except the requirement to catch a person's eye in the store, and have claim enough miracles to get you to buy it. It isn't that I don't think some of them do what they say, but I wouldn't use one every 3,000 miles in my car...
Fredvh: We could probably be more helpful if you explained what some of the priorities are for you. What do you want the car to do most? Be fun? fast? luxurious? look nice? impress people? be cheap? haul people? No car can be everything to everyone, so we could help your decision with some more facts. The Aurora drives great. The engine performs, and the sound is awesome. The interior is the best I've seen. However, the Intrigue (and other cars) is more sensible because it is cheaper, and can be had with many of the same features like stability control and heated seats and such, plus it is cheaper and has more trunk space, fold-down rear seats, and similar interior room (slightly less). What are you looking for?
#2390 of 5876 THE SHOP KING SPEAKS
Feb 19, 2002 (9:10 am)
I have not had any problems with my car lately. Maybe the 60,000 mile mini maintenace explosion is over.
Although, I still have trouble believing that there are only two of us losing paint from the pastic steering wheel buttons and housing. Since both of us are 95 Classics, are you guys telling me it is limited to that year?
Feb 19, 2002 (10:26 am)
Henry, maybe the 96 guys will have that problem next year, and 97's the year after that...