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#7208 of 7297 Re: Well, I'm Going to Throw . . . [kronogoose]
Dec 24, 2005 (8:00 pm)
While the reliability issues (at least for electrical) are very real (for my car at least), the highway ride is simply outstanding.
Last year my Mazda was in the shop for over a month (long story) and (another long story) I ended driving a Lincoln Town Car from Enterprise during that period. The Town Car wa by far the quietest highway car I'd ever spent time in. It was smooth and totally isolated from the road, with almost no wind or road noise. The one I drove was a brand-new 2005 model with only 4,500 miles on the odometer.
Compared to the Town Car, my 2001 C240 with over 70,000 miles on the clock is even quieter! Less wind noise, less road noise, an engine that is absolutely silent while droning at 70, 80 or even 90 MPH, made the twice-as-large Town Car seem rather poorly engineered by comparison.
Even more impressive, the Town Car achieves its quiet ride by means of super-soft suspension and loads of sound-deadening material. Mercedes does it the better way, with very slippery aerodynamics, premium tires and an engine and transmission designed for autobahn speeds. The result is a car that at 90MPH feels like the Town Car did at 70MPH, while still providing proper road feel and semi-sporty handling. The Americans set their luxury cars to be wallowy soft, while the Germans know how to make a soft and serene ride while preserving the high-speed cornering ability that makes driving on a twisty road fun instead of nausiating.
In short, I've had my share of electrical glitches on my new-to-me 2001 C240 (still dealing with the exterior temperature sensor), but the actual driving experience of the car have totally converted me to Mercedes Benz. My wife is due for a new car next year, and the C-class is at the top of the list.
#7209 of 7297 Thanks to Those of You. . .
Dec 28, 2005 (4:52 pm)
who have posted your helpful comments. I've come to grips with the concept that I'm actively involved in considering a Mercedes-Benz as my next car. I've even confessed to one of my sons.
As I continue to study the literature, I was surprised at the Mercedes choice of 6-cylinder engine configuration for the 230. In descending order of smoothness and/or mechanical elegance, we have:
1. straight six (BMW 3 & my beloved 240-Z)
2. 60 degree V6 (most others)
3. 90 degree V6 w/ balance shafts (Mercedes)
4. 90 degree V6 w/o bal shafts (cheap GM)
Is this a sign of budget-cutting within D/C, or am I missing something? The balance shafts may cancel the vibration inherent in a 90 deg setup, but they add: 1) complexity, 2) weight, 3) noise & 4) width.
Help me understand why this could possibly be a good thing.
#7210 of 7297 Re: Thanks to Those of You. . . [cdnpinhead]
Dec 28, 2005 (8:11 pm)
A 90 degree engine is shorter from top to bottom than a 60 degree engine, with a wider space between the V. If you look at the hoodline on the C-class and some other MB models (SLK), you will notice they are rather low. I know the C class has a .27 cd, which is excptionally slippery, perhaps a lower engine is part of the formula?
As far as smoothness, take it for a test drive and all concerns will vanish.
#7211 of 7297 Re: Thanks to Those of You. . . [lawman1967]
Dec 29, 2005 (5:52 am)
Actually, there is another, even more practical reason for the 90 degree cylinder angle, apart from engine height....
These engines were designed [first in the mid-90s] to share a common block and other engine architecture with the V8s. ALL of the sixes and eights share a common block design, and are machined on the same line at the engine factories. This was the primary consideration for the decision to go to a 90 degree angle.
Nothing beats a straight six for smoothness, but only BMW considers it a religion. I have absolutely no compaints about this with either of our MB sixes, a '98 E320 [the first year the V6 appeared in our market] or our current '02 C240.
The current cars have new 4-valve heads [starting with the '06 model year], but the guts of the engines are the same. Very soon, they will also be converted to direct injection, but again, everything below the heads will remain the same. Altogether, MB has gotten a lot of miles out of this engine design, both in the sixes and eights.
#7212 of 7297 Re: Thanks to Those of You. . . [jrct9454]
Dec 29, 2005 (8:19 am)
Optimal configuration or not, I've never driven a car with a smoother engine than my 01 C240, including MB V8s and BMW inline 6s, the balance shafts in the MB V6 do their magic perfectly.
#7214 of 7297 Prospective C280 4Matic Purchase Questions
Feb 01, 2006 (8:04 am)
I am an 03 Audi A4 1.8T owner looking to change cars. I have been very happy with my A4, and I am also considering the new A4 2.0T. I am yet to drive the MB but plan to this weekend.
I plan to get Black ext, black int, sunroof package, heated front seats(?), Power drivers seat, Split rear seats and the ipod integration
Am I missing anything?
Owners of this model seem a little think on the ground, I'd like to hear experiences if you have one.
I have a few questions I hope you can answer:
1: Does anyone have a picture of the car with the factory offered spoiler?
2: I have read mixed opinions on the h/k stereo, I'd love to hear more.
3: The MB site lists heated seats as an option for the C280 non 4Matic, but not for the 4Matic version. Is that correct?
4: The specs say that the front armrest is height adjustable. But I can't see how from the images. Can anyone clarify?
5: What is the difference between getting the full leather and the leather inserts?
6:I plan on getting the iPod integration, I understand the parts are about $300 but is it true they will charge $200+ to install?
7: What is your estimate on how much service will cost over 4 years (Audi provides this in the cost of the car)
8: If you don't get the split rear seat options the rear seat does not fold at all, correct?
9: I read a lot of people getting very close to invoice. Is it reasonable for me to use $1000 over invoice as a guide?
Thanks for any answers you can provide.
#7215 of 7297 RE:Prospective C280 4Matic Purchase Questions
Feb 01, 2006 (6:51 pm)
Well I have a 2002 C320, so I can't answer most of your questions, but the adjustable armrest on console is simply a racheting device so that when you pull up on the latch that opens it, that adjusts the height up or down ever so slightly. It is a rather cheap low tech solution, but it works. The armrest does NOT move front to back; only the height is adjustable.
I believe the full leather (like my C320) means that the door panels are covered in real leather rather than vinyl and that the seats are fully leather-covered, not just the seat cushions.
I have the split rear seat option and that is the only way the seats fold. The standard seats do NOT fold at all.
Hope that chips away a bit at your questions....
#7216 of 7297 C 230 - MP3 compatible / '06 reliability
Feb 06, 2006 (10:32 pm)
i am considering a few cars and the MB c 230 is top on my list. I won't lie like everyone else and say it's the greatest ride, acceleration, refinement etc., but will come out and say the truth: I want a Mercedes and this is the only one I can afford!!! (i am considering a G 35 coupe, and Lexus IS 250 as well).
Not including the iPod thing you can buy, the dealer says the stereo is mp3 compatible. Does this mean it can play a CD full of MP3s, or does it mean i can simply buy a package to be able to plug an iPod into it?
Also, i'm wondering how people have found the reliability on teh '05 models? I know from 2001 the reliability sucked, but have read recently since 2005 it's been great.
#7217 of 7297 Re: C 230 - MP3 compatible / '06 reliability [ab3]
Feb 07, 2006 (5:55 am)
I have 2006 C-350 Luxury, with 6600 miles on it so far - runs beautifully, and absolutely no issues. The ride is smoooth, and accels very well.
All CD slots can play mp3 cds. The car also has an audio input port in the glove. We did not get the ipod integration since it takes away the ability for rear seat passengers (kids) to play with the ipod, so i simply use the Audio IN and a long cable.