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#6975 of 7297 Mercedes C-Class vs. comparably priced Japanese cars
Aug 06, 2004 (12:54 pm)
I owned--past tense--a 2001 C-240. The car was so awful, I couldn't stand to keep it til it was paid off; it was the first car I'd ever owned that didn't pay off. The capper was the day I took it into the dealer to fix an electrical problem for the fourth time. When I told the service rep I was going to get rid of it because it had so many more problems than with the Japanese cars I've owned, he said, "Oh, you've only got one page of service entries; I've got people coming in here with four and five pages"! He also said you can't compare European cars' reliablity to that of Japanese cars' because they're "different," and that Japanese cars will always be more reliable. Totally true.
While I loved the solid think of the doors, the front seats, and (viewing, but not fixing) the electronic display, the C-240 drove like a Buick unless you flogged it. The automatic wouldn't shift into first gear unless you came to a complete stop and sat there for a couple seconds; if you didn't wait long enough, it'd shift into first with a thunk as soon as you pressed the gas.
The service costs, had I not been under warranty, would have been astronomical. The engine doesn't have a drain plug or a dipstick--so you either have to take it to the dealer to change the oil or buy a siphon. I tried several Mercedes dealers in the San Francisco Bay Area; none of them offers anywhere near the technical capabilities or customer service of the worst Japanese-car dealer I've dealt with here. One day I scheduled an appointment at the SF dealer; when I brought it in, I had to wait 45 minutes just to check the car in.
Consumer Reports' readers (including me) are absolutely thrashing Mercedes' reliability these days, with good reason. That poor reliability had a big part in how much I got when I traded in my C-240. I bought it new for $34K; three years later, I got $16K for it, even though it looked fabulous. Think a Japanese car would depreciate that much? Not even close.
#6976 of 7297 Re: C240 vs 325i
Aug 06, 2004 (5:08 pm)
Both the C class and 3 series get upgraded engines
for the '06 model. Here's the schedule for the
New V6 and V6 CDI engines available with
C280 CDI: 190PS from a 3,0 Liter V6-CDI from
C 320 CDI: 231PS from a 3,0 Liter V6-CDI from
C 230: 2.3 Liter V6 with 204 PS from June 2005
C 280: 2.8 Liter V6 with 231 PS from June 2005
C 350: 3.5 Liter V6 with 272 PS from June 2005
I would think the C280/350 will be for the US.
Also the series is a new model (E90) for '06.
The engine displacements are the same but the
2.5 and 3.0 get valvetronic technology. Figure
about a 10% increase in HP with a broader
So if you want the new stuff wait a year but
be prepared to pay MSRP. Good prices are to be
had for '05s especially next year.
#6977 of 7297 New Drivetrains
Aug 07, 2004 (5:07 am)
The engines return to a 4-valve head design. The transmission may be more significant [7spd automatic], but in any case, it's win-win: more performance AND lower fuel consumption.
I agree that the most likely choices for our market are the 2.8 and 3.5 sixes. I'd love to see them finally bring us a diesel in this body, but I'm not counting on it.
The new B-class will be introduced at the Detroit Show in January, and be available in our market in the fall of '05. It's a stretched version of the next-gen A [which is just now being introduced in EU], and will have a turbo-4 gasoline engine, with again, a great diesel which we may or may not see in our market. This car will have most of the interior space of an E, but with an honest 35 mpg in average use. It is, of course, FWD, which may or may not matter to MB customers - the current A has sold well in EU and its uniqueness doesn't seem to have hurt.
Aug 07, 2004 (2:36 pm)
I bought my first BMW [a 1602] in 1967 at age 22, and the first MB was an overseas-delivered 220 Sedan in 1968. I'll admit that the sales staff at European Motors in SF did not exactly flock to my side when I first darkened their door in the summer of 1968 to order the 220. Still, money talked, as always: I had begun what became a rewarding career in big-system computer operations in 1965 while still in college, and we were already doing well in our early 20s.
BMW was too new to the US market then to turn anyone away; now, they seem to see themselves exclusively as a "prestige marque"; it's mightily amusing to me to hear their North American dealers and distributor bad-mouth the new BMW 1-series as not "upscale" enough for the US. How time marches on.
Anyway, you'll get no serious argument from me in selecting either of these cars. Indeed, if a neighbor is a principal at a BMW dealership, that may be reason enough to go with the 325. Do let us know what you decide.
#6981 of 7297 Power Windows C 230 '99
Aug 18, 2004 (9:41 am)
I bought this 99 c230 with 30k miles and the driver side window was working fine but after a week it gave up on me. Have any one seen this ?
How much $ are we talking about to fix it?
#6982 of 7297 Re: Mercedes C-Class vs. comparably priced Japanese cars [sloshey]
Aug 20, 2004 (4:44 pm)
You said you dumped your troublesome '01 Mercedes C-240 but didn't say what car you bought to replace it. Your response might be considered off topic for this group but I'm curious......Richard
#6983 of 7297 What's a good price?
Aug 23, 2004 (7:56 pm)
My wife's birthday is coming up, and we thought we would surprise her with a Mercedes, and have decided to look at the C320, after being disappointed with the pick up of the C240. We need to know how much we can bring down the price, to a point where some dealers would still be willing to sell. Here are the specs:
-Pewter Metallic color
-Ash leather interior
-6 CD changer
-Sun Roof Package
Could someone please provide us with an estimate as to how much we would be able to get this car for? Thanks,
#6984 of 7297 mjteam9000
Aug 25, 2004 (6:31 am)
Use the resources here like the "TMV" or try Cars Direct.com