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#67 of 7297 Throttle Response / Daniel
Nov 28, 2000 (2:46 am)
Daniel - Your observations on throttle response are right on. Regular posters know this is one of my favourite subjects. Hopefully Andrew won't mind another posting on this...
Right, I have finally concluded that:
- MBZ alleges a "Driver Adaptive electronic 5 speed automatic" (1999 Mercedes Benz C Class Brochure page 53
- I have found no source for a definition of the "Adaptive" algorithm used in this trasmission
- Subjectively, I've tried driving aggressively over various lengths of time (30 minutes, 2 hours, several days) and have found no difference in the throttle response in the important 30-50 mph overtaking range (other than the gas mileage gets worse)
Additionally, I have discovered two other things:
1) If you floor it, there is a manual kickdown feature at the throttle stop which, if you get beyond it, will generate full redline shifts. This is briefly exciting, but not terribly useful in day to day traffic jousting.
2) If you leave the transmission in D4, the throttle response in most cases is vastly improved. This is as you would expect as the box is indeed in a lower gear in most situations.
In spirited driving, I use (mostly) 2) i.e. leaving the transmission in D4. For me, this generates a quite satisfactory experience. The car feels like its on "tip toe" in normal driving, esp on two lane roads where the overtaking gaps are short. This is quite an easy thing to do since, with the MBZ "wiggly" gate, you just grab the shift lever, whack it to the left to downshift and wake up the autobox...It even seems to me that I've read this in the Owner's Manual, but she-who-must-be-obeyed has the car out tonight so I can't go look!
I have to admit 95%, of the time, commuting, I really just don't care about the shift points. Sometimes I turn off the Bose stereo and just listen and feel the rock-solid suspension going down the road.
If I am really feeling like a buzz, I get my '67 Austin Mini Cooper S out of the garage and go for a dash. If I were interested in banging gears in a modern car, I'd probably be running a BMW E46, but I guess I just skipped that phase of my car-owning experience in my declining old age (41:)
Note: my experiences are based on a sample of one - our '99 C280, your mileage may vary, etc.
I would be delighted if other New-C owners could post their experiences here.
Just my thoughts...
#68 of 7297 w2p2
Nov 28, 2000 (2:52 am)
I know it! Waiting for your car is the worst! I had to wait a few months for my 99C. It was delivered to my dealership on a Thursday or Friday. I wanted to get it on Friday because I wanted to drive it on the weekend. When my salesman said it wouldn't be ready until Monday or Tuesday I really really wanted to throttle him on the spot.
Nov 28, 2000 (3:04 am)
#70 of 7297 MBnut - '96 E320 vs '01 C320
Nov 28, 2000 (3:07 am)
Sleake, thanks for your acknowledgement.
MBNut, thanks for your interest in my comparison.
First of all, I want to make it very clear that I was comparing a '96 E320 to a '01 C320. The '96 E320 carried over quite a few things from the '95, especially the engine and transmission. MB did make the '96 a better car overall.
I would not say that the "E320 handles much more poorly than the C320". These two cars were designed for different purposes, in my opinion. The E320 is more luxury than sports. However, I must say the E320 handles very well. I was impressed by how the car (E320) reacted in sharp corners. The suspension tightens up to take those turns, but relaxes on normal driving. To me, it is the "driver's car for the normal driver". The C may be better at road handling because of its sporty nature. My wife prefers the C320's smaller size and responsiveness.
The C320 is more fun to drive. It is more eager to play when you tell it to. The '96 E320 is more like a gentlemen, who thinks (or hesitates) before making a sudden move. That said, the E320 will get up and go although not immediately.
I drove a 2000 E320 a few months ago, and find it completely different than my '96 E320. The 2000 is much more responsive, probably because of the new V6 and some overall improvements. Actually I was very tempted to get a '01 E320.
As far as equipment, the '01 E320 is very similar to the C320. The difference is in how they are configured. The '01 E and '01 C have the same V6 engine, but gear ratio is different. The E has almost the same amenities, but configured a little differently, for instance the placement of the fully automatic window up/down switches. Ride wise, the E is more refine, since it is a bigger car and tuned more for luxury.
I have not tried to push the C320 too hard because it is a new car, and I tend to baby my cars. I will tell you more after I have had a chance to go over the 1,000 miles break-in period. It may take a while, because I don't drive a lot, and will be travelling during most of December. Just to let you know how little I drive, my '96 E320 has 31,000 miles. My '89 Acura Legend Coupe has 80,860 miles.
#71 of 7297 fedssocr & richardjenkins
Nov 28, 2000 (3:26 am)
fedssocr - I just got my car with C1, C2, C4, Auto, XENON, CD-Changer. I "love" my heated seats even though I live in CA. It's the best thing in the morning. And XENON really makes difference. Not just that it looks good, it really helps me at night. Just my opinion.
richardjenkins - Wow.. thanks for your comments. I tried to give more gas when I start from each stops, and I thought it was getting little better.. maybe I was just thinking that way.. Well, I really want to give a lot more gas and see how it moves but my car only has 100 miles on it right now, and I love my car too much to do that yet. =) Maybe after I break in my car, I'll post the differences(If there's any)
#72 of 7297 Floor Mats for C
Nov 28, 2000 (3:27 am)
I picked up the all-season rubber floor mat from MB dealer today and it looked great in my Silver/Ash C. It's high quality rubber. I paid $78. I think it's worth getting than messing up the carpet mat. If you guys want to see how it look like, I'll post the picture.
Nov 28, 2000 (3:27 am)
$1,000 is the deposit they are asking for in the Detroit-Toledo area.
#74 of 7297 deposit $1000
Nov 28, 2000 (4:10 am)
Paid $1000 deposit in central California. And, after reading all the posts from #4 and #5, it seems to be the standard amount.
My car was due last week, AAAUUUUGGHHHHHH!!!!! I hate waiting. At least I know I have companions out there who are suffering too.
Okay tclaw, how's the car?
#75 of 7297 Unanswered Question from #11
Nov 28, 2000 (5:13 am)
I ordered my C240 on Sept. 2, 2000. I was then told I would get my car no later than the end of November. I was now told today I will get it within the last 10 days of Feb. 01.
I want to buy one now. Who has had to wait this long, who has not.
Anyone know where I can get a C240 Charcoal interior with Sunroof and Bose options (auto of course)? I'm set on Silver, but will settle for white or black......HELP
#76 of 7297 Xenon+Heated Seats?
Nov 28, 2000 (5:58 am)
I have the same question as fedssocr. The brochure says heated seats are required if you order xenons. Is that right? I really like the xenons but I do not want to pay for heated seats in SoCal.