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Oct 03, 2002 (6:23 pm)
I'm as avid a Mercedes fan as they and hearing about the problems with the mid 90's to present Mercedes has been disappointing, that hasn't, however, changed my view on Mercedes building some of the finest cars and consistently out-innovating others out there. I also believe 2003 will be a great year for Mercedes with the new E, SL, CLK, and upgraded S class ushering in a return to tradional Mercedes values such as quality w/o such a stoic take on luxury and driving experience.
My parents really did not take care of their Benzes as they should but now I can handle that for my mom so no need to worry anymore when you're buying a used car fom us!
I have not used the Klasse Glaze, just the All-In-One, but I have to admit, the Pinnacle's price is hard to justify. Once I applied it to my car though, I was sold, the paint (a 99 Honda Prelude, so the paint isn't as glossy and deep as other makes) looked "wet" enough to swim in. I was deeply impressed.
BTW, have you seen the 03 C Classes headlights? I am a big fan, they're quite beautiful. The dealership also told me a single disk CD player is now 400 dollars which I don't think Mercedes should charge in this day and age.
Oct 03, 2002 (9:26 pm)
The host bounced my Car & Driver critique because it contained a "disguised profanity," so I've been gone for a while and you'all missed my review of the reviewer.
We have over 6,000 mi. on the '02 C320 and it is the best car we've ever driven. I still find interesting features I didn't know about, e.g., all the windows go up automatically when you hit the recirc button, the sun visors extend out on their swivel arms.
I agree that 2003 will be MB's best year, ever. Their car line is so well integrated, from "C" to shiny "CL," and unit sales are spread widely across the group-- they truly have something for anyone who can appreciate MB's value. And, the company's quiet and persistence really has yielded something special, despite some spiteful reviews and reviewers who don't seem to be firing on all their cylinders.
The new E-Class surely must be the best engineered car available today. If I was a little older and didn't find ML's utility of greater value for our purposes, I'd love to have an "S," and the new SL probably is the most comfortable sports car you could hope to drive.
Excepting Porche's upcoming Cayenne sport ute, I don't see anything in the auto world that is as interesting and inspiring right now as what MB is putting out there.
#5976 of 7297 Cira - Wheel Alignment
Oct 04, 2002 (3:15 pm)
The tech's first reaction was that it was "within spec"; however, we both agreed it could be better, and accordingly, he cranked in a bit of extra caster on the right side [less than one degree of difference between left and right]. If you are not technically inclined, caster is the angle by which the front strut deviates away from a straight vertical line - most cars with struts have a small amount of positive caster, i.e. the bottom of the strut is angled to the front relative to the top of the strut. More caster helps straight line stability; less caster makes the car more responsive to changes in direction.
So, by slightly increasing the right side caster over the left, the right side now "resists" changes in direction a bit more than the left. Bottom line: it now tracks straight with no wandering, without any changes in toe-in either front or rear, which were all within spec.
I believe the left side is carrying about 9.5 degrees of caster, and the right about 10.2 or thereabouts - the difference may actually be smaller, as my memory of what the machine said when we were done is not crystal clear.
Sorry if this is a bit hyperbolic, but the point is that there are things a good tech can do even when the usual suspects [toe-in, or tires, or tire pressures] are all otherwise OK. [Tires are often to blame when a car wants to pull to one side, but I had taken the precaution of trying all 4 tires on the front in various combinations before I brought the car in, and none of the combinations made any difference in the way it wanted to fall off to the right].
#5977 of 7297 what should I buy...?????
Oct 05, 2002 (9:20 pm)
I am looking into a new car with my wife. Of course it's the same comparo...the c24o or the 325i. I haven't driven neither but both look great. I'm agraid that the 168 hp on the c240 won't be enough when I drive it. Does it actually feel slow? Or is it just me thinking that 168 hp is sol little? Does anyone know when will MB get a more powerful engone in the C240? Maybe one with around 180-190 hp? All answers would help. Thanks
#5978 of 7297 I made the same comparison...
Oct 06, 2002 (5:29 am)
...and took the C240, and it wasn't that difficult a decision.
Yes, the 325 will feel a bit quicker around town, but once on the road, most of the difference disappears. For us, the tie-breakers were ride quality and quiet, which both favored the C, as well as the slightly larger trunk. We want a comfortable, safe touring car - if you want a sports sedan, get the BMW.
If performance is a concern, you should get the BMW and be happy; if comfort and general refinement for long trips is the point, get the Mercedes. I've owned many examples of both since 1967, and these distinctions have been there pretty much for those entire 35 years. In fact, we traded our '67 1600-2 for a '69 220 over exactly these same issues - I wanted a good long-distance car, and the BMW wasn't refined enough compared with the MB. These days, the differences are less dramatic, but still there.
#5979 of 7297 Navigation system installation...
Oct 06, 2002 (5:38 pm)
I am interested in installing an aftermarket navigation system in a 2000 C230 sport. Has anyone had any such experience? I would appreciate recommendations on navigation systems and mounting options.
#5980 of 7297 What to buy??
Oct 06, 2002 (8:40 pm)
The C240's engine has more torque, so it has a lot "fatter" horses and that's what counts. I was amazed at what torque does for a car's performance yesterday, while driving our C320.
The C320 climbs like a goat. Overall, we were doing about 40 mph on average in a line of cars to about 4000 ft. and the 320 engine was never over 2K rpm and I never felt a shift.
Coming down, I didn't have to wear out the brakes on the S-turns like the three cars in front of me that slowed over and over on 30 mph curves. Engine braking was all I needed.
I love the 320 but it is an opulence, e.g., the same engine that is in the 1,000 pound heavier ML, e.g., it would tow a 5,000 lb boat up the same mountain. The 240 is the same engine, but with a shorter stroke, so it's only 2.6L, and has a higher compression-- and it probably is all the C needs in most situations.
I've noticed in reading various rave reviews that owners who give 9s and 10s are pretty constant from among C230 and C320 owners whereas C240 owners seem to either love'm or merely just like'm at about a 50-50 ratio. That makes me think some of the C240 buyers probably would have appreciated more power.
#5982 of 7297 Your Advice needed!!!......
Oct 07, 2002 (12:24 am)
I am being offered a 2001 C320, silver with black interior, for $30,000. The guy really needs the money so thats why he is selling.....the car has 14K miles and has everything but the navigation....it has the Sports Package(nice wheels)..heated seats...premium sound + 6 disc changer..
I am undecided between this the Jaguar S-type...i love the S-type too...it gets alot more attention....but then i really enjoyed driving this car....what should i go for if they are around the same price?? Thanksss..
Oct 07, 2002 (8:07 am)
Well, I have never driven an S-type, but I do really admire its looks. If I could get either one for the same price and that price was "only" $30k I would likely opt for the Jag unless after driving it I really hated it.