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#5651 of 7297 drive2bfree
May 09, 2002 (5:49 pm)
1) not everyone likes the rear styling of the C 230 K - I didn't at first either - but there is stylistic integrity to it if you look carefully. Still, if you don't like it, that's OK. There are plenty cars out there that are not as good-looking from the rear, believe it or not. Your comparison of the C Coupé to a "cheap Ford Pinto" is interesting - I've never heard of an expensive Ford Pinto
2) 0-60 MPH is not a good measure of "passing power". For the record, Mercedes-Benz rates the 1.8 Litre C 230 K 0-100 km/h time at 8.1 seconds, only 0.1 seconds slower than the 2.3 litre C 230 K. 0.1 seconds is not a difference that anyone would "feel", or even notice, unless they have a stopwatch. For passing power, in-gear acceleration figures such as 40-70 MPH would be a better measure. So far I've not seen a comparison between the 1.8 and 2.3 in such a test.
3) Feeling cramped in the car is strange. I'm 6'3" and it is definitely not cramped to me, front or rear (well, excepting tight headroom in the back). Perhaps a short person with the driver's seat adjusted far forward might get that feeling, due to the car's passive knee restraints being closer. I can't help you with the seats - maybe you could gain a little weight? Mercedes-Benz seats have always seemed hard, but they are also pretty good. I'm surprised that you could feel springs, as the seat cushion is made entirely of foam.
4) 2003 models will likely have the in-dash CD player. If not, you can buy one on Ebay for about 160-200 Euros - cheap!
5) If roadside assistance after the car is out of warranty is THAT important to you, get a CAA or AAA gold membership. It's cheap!
6) I don't see what you mean by M-B "slowly sabotaging this car"...do you mean they're doing this by fitting a newer, smaller engine to it? Please elaborate.
#5652 of 7297 404c - clarifications
May 10, 2002 (7:04 am)
Rest assured, my 2 cents worth was definitely not intended to bash MB. If nothing else, I wish I could afford their high-end vehicles like my cousins drive. However, there is a pix in Edmunds of a C230 with it's side view. Take a piece of paper and cover the spoiler and rear at an angle (ie \) and dammit all, it looks like a PINTO! Still, it is better looking than the BMW 318 I passed last night (no, I am not bashing BMW, either). I drive extrememly fast regardless of where I am and I like some oomph in the car. I was not able to accelerate as much as I had wanted to test driving the car (I scared the bejesus out of the salesperson), but for a brief moment it hesitated when I "punched" it. It's hard to explain, perhaps it is just me since it took awahile to get used to the ergonomics of the interior. I do love that instrument panel! Anyway, when I say "sabotaging", I meant it this way - anyone can buy any car they want (duh, right?), but what sells me are the little things. Afterall, a car is a car, have engine, tires, gas, and go. It's the service and warranties and freebies that I look for. Free maintenance is nice, especially for a MB (from what I have heard). The lifetime roadside was cool too since I don't know any dealer that offer such things (my longest was one year which was a tremendous benefit then); and I belong to AAA and they SUCK (them I am bashing)! I could get deeper, but I don't want to appear philosophical about it. You did hit it right, it's just an opinion, for better or worse. I hope everyone who bought the C230 enjoys it and who gives a damn what this a**hole has to say anyway, right? One last thing, the leather is too thin...<bg>
May 10, 2002 (8:58 am)
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May 12, 2002 (6:17 pm)
Just completed a 2551 mile road trip....nice experience
...averaged 54 mph and 28.2 mpg for the trip which included three days
of driving around the city in Portland and some very twisty roads over
mountain passes to and from the coast in Oregon and California. The
car performed beautifully and really surprised me in the mountains. No
lack of power at any time and great cornering, even with the stock
Continentals. Definitely a "Sports Sedan" ride and feel.
#5655 of 7297 Rear Wheel Drive C 230 Hatchback Coupe - Information needed.
May 12, 2002 (7:16 pm)
I am planning to buy a new MB C230 Hatchback Coupe. I live in St. Louis and sometimes we could have bad snowfalls.
One reason that is holding me back is the rear-wheel drive on the C230.Is it not safe to drive a rear-wheel drive car when there is snow. Please clear my doubts.
May 13, 2002 (5:32 am)
I wouldn't worry about the RWD nature of the car. I expect that the coupe has the same ESP system that the sedan does. That goes a long way to improving your handling and so forth in poor weather. Obviously you have to be careful in such conditions no matter what. But I grew up in PA and learned to drive in a RWD car and never had any major problems in the snow. I think this worry is overrated. If you are a good driver you should be fine. And if you're a bad driver rwd or fwd won't make any difference. And since MB and BMW cars are designed in Germany where they certainly have their share of snow and so forth I would expect that they know what they're doing.
#5657 of 7297 The brake dust is tough to remove
May 13, 2002 (8:08 am)
I used MB wheel care, it did not work well, there are still some dust stick to the wheel. Anybody know any more efficient wheelcare stuff to remove the dust?
May 13, 2002 (8:39 am)
when I picked up my car in dec2000 it had two color coded keys. each key was set at the time of delivery by the sales person to our individual seat,mirror and wheel settings. it was wonderful after my wife had used the car and I got in with my key once in the ignition all the settings moved to mine without having to push the memory button on the door. in the spring the keys,both of them , stopped working they would no longer open the doors or go to the settings. I went to dealer service (3 times)3 new sets of keys no one has been able to set the keys as they were the day of delivery even the original sales person I gave up any one out there that can explain how it was done please speak up
#5659 of 7297 lxgmb - wheel care
May 13, 2002 (9:06 am)
The next time you wash your car, wait until the wheels are cool (very important or you may warp the brake rotors), wash them, and give them two good coats of auto wax. This should make getting the brake dust off much easier in the future.
#5660 of 7297 RE: keys by dec2000c320
May 13, 2002 (3:57 pm)
This is what I have learned was the problem with me losing the KEY DEPENDENT MEMORY FEATURE. I now have the right numbered keys. I hope this helps anyone out there that has had thier keys (remotes) replaced and lost this feature. Please feel free to print this out and go to your favorite dealer.
Dealer Technical Bulletin 49/01
49/01 – Recalls and service campaigns: When repairing any vehicle, Always check the vehicle Master Inquiry for open campaigns.
49/01-2 Group 80 – models 203,215,and 220, KEY DEPENDENT MEMORY FEATURE: This is to clarify the operation of the key-dependent memory feature. This feature allows memory settings for seat position, steering column adjustment and A/C settings (203 only) to be dependent upon which key is used to unlock or start the vehicle. If enabled by the customer, via the Instrument Cluster (A1) settings used. There are a total of three (3) memory blocks available: one for key #1, one for key #2, and one shared by keys #3 through #8.
When ordering replacement keys for any reason, it is important to note that the only these three memory blocks are available, and the key number ordered will affect the memory blocks available. For example, if key #1 is replaced with key #4, then the first memory block (assigned to key #1) is no longer accessible. Specifically, key #2 will use the second memory block, and Keys #3 and #4 will share the third memory block. The loss of a memory block may lead to customer complaints. Therefore, if the customer wishes to retain the key dependent feature, replace keys #1 & #2 with the same numbered key.