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Dec 09, 2000 (7:36 pm)
First, I would like to welcome John (JRCT) back. how is your drive going? I hope all is well.
In the year 2004 a new crossover class (minivan/sport ute/wagon)is being introduced by Mercedes-Benz called GST or Grand (wheel base similar to that of the S class)Sport (V6 and V8 engines offered)Tourer (3rd row 7 seater vehicle).
The new ML is due for a change/makeover after the GST introduction late in 2004. Both will be built in Alabama. The new ML will abondonits current "body-on-frame" architecture. A new lighter unibody structure will be introduced thus imprving gas mileage and safety. Both the GST and the new ML will share the same unibody structure and it is gonna be marketed as sleeker portier and more aerodynamic.
Both are also gonna be full time all wheel drive. The new ML will no longer look like a minvan. instead, a more rugged look is in the making. Also it is expected to be longer by about 8 inches with plenty of room for a 3rd row seat.
As for pricing, the GST is going to be priced betwen $57k and $64K. the ML about $50k.
Also, by 2004 MB is palnning on converting all of its engines to direct injection. No diesel engines are gonna ever be offered for the US market due to tighter emission regulations.
P.S. I have gotten most of my info from the recent Automobile magazine.
#273 of 7297 To Post #273 - Want My First MB
Dec 09, 2000 (9:19 pm)
To get pricing information, use a combination of carpoint.com & edmunds.com to research pricing & reliability ratings before you walk into the dealer so you won't be ripped off. Carpoint has easy access to the Kelley Blue Book online calculator & will tell you which dealers in your area have the kind of car you're looking for and will provide the VIN number. You can then sign up with carfax.com to get reports on that particular vehicle. If you decide on a new car, edmunds is a great resource for wheeling & dealing. Especially this link: http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/doitusef/howtobuy.html
#274 of 7297 Buying a New Car
Dec 09, 2000 (9:23 pm)
Thanks to everyone for the great information here!Your postings are invaluable.Been trying to decide between the bmw 3(too small), bmw 5(too costly), lexus is(don't think it'll hold its value) & the mb c class(need I say more?). Finally decided on the c and have been calling the dealers and will soon go out for a test drive.
The info you've posted will give me some extra ammunition, in case I need it. Thanks!
#275 of 7297 Fjj - Maintenance Costs
Dec 09, 2000 (10:11 pm)
I divide the answer to your question into two parts: preventative mtc., and repairs. Preventative mtc. on a late-model MB will be slightly more expensive than a typical US SUV, but not drastically so if you use a little common sense about the mtc. schedule and look for dealer specials in the service dept. On the other hand, REPAIRS can bankrupt you - and in this case, it will indeed cost 2x what it would cost to do the same thing to your typical domestic car. This is why I caution you to know a used MB's service history and make sure you have some warranty protection. Buying the car is the easy part - keeping it running after, say 90k miles, can the expensive part.
Again, so much of this depends on the luck of the draw - I've had both good 'uns and bad 'uns from these guys over the last 32 years. Any recent model is a reasonable risk, so long as you're sharing the risk with the warranty co. or MBUSA, as the case may be.
#276 of 7297 To the Old-Timers in the Group...
Dec 09, 2000 (10:18 pm)
I've been lurking here all along, but have been distracted by any number of things, including most recently getting us hooked up to a broadband [cable modem] fast connection so we can be "on" all the time, with no more time-out and phone line worries.
The '01 Accord EX V6 continues to surprise and delight on every drive - I'm still blown away by how different this car is from its 4 cyl predecessor...the body may be the same, but everything else feels really different.
On the new C, I've got to say I am pleasantly surprised so far at the absence of any widespread show-stopper problems; let's keep our fingers crossed that it will stay that way.
#277 of 7297 buying /maintaining used
Dec 09, 2000 (10:32 pm)
Along with making sure you know what your buying with a used vehicle as mentioned above. Take a look in your local yellow pages for an independant garage that services MB, sometimes exclusively. If you can find a good one, you might know by the knowledge they've been in business for years at the same location, they can offer substanially lower labor costs.
I had the good fortune a few years back with my aging Volvo. I saw a non-descript shop that I hadnt paid much attention to prior to buying a volvo, been there for 20 years or so. They were great, quick service for an h of a lot less than the Volvo dealer, and they gave you the option of fixing with new or used parts. A consideration when you're keeping an out of warranty car on the road.
#278 of 7297 dennet and fedssocr -- Thanks
Dec 10, 2000 (12:51 am)
Thanks for those descriptions of Oyster. Given your descriptions, I think the Motorweek segment on the 320 showed an Oyster car:
I was also thinking of a Red/Oyster combo, it's probably the best color combination.
Any info on the parking brake location and operation? Is it foot operated?
Dec 10, 2000 (1:41 am)
I checked that page, and yep that's the light grey oyster interior. It really does look awesome with the magma red. The parking brake is foot operated and hand released, seemed a bit weird at first, but once we got used to it we really like it. The pull handle clutters up the console, didn't really realize it until we got a car without it. Good luck to you!
Dec 10, 2000 (2:01 am)
I was amazed to read your comments on the Honda, because I completely agree! I have been test driving 330's, C320's and an IS300. Right after taking a very long demo ride in the C320 (non-sport, I hate the aluminum look), I went over and drove the loaded Accord. I think it had a better ride! No acceleration lag, more room, more comfortable seats, comparable handing and very quick.
Of course, it is not as sharp as the c-class, but for $25,540 MSRP and heavily discounted, I think I'm going with the Accord! For those people still looking, check it outů
#281 of 7297 Parking Brake C 240 MT 6 speed
Dec 10, 2000 (4:25 am)
Reply to # 292 (mrdiet): Parking brake is activated by pressing down on foot pedal with left foot and subsequently released with your left hand as you reach down a little (fuse box location on Japanese cars). I drive a 5 speed now and have never used the parking brake (RHS center) to hold on a hill, mind you I have not started from steep steep hills. I find if people know you are driving a standard on a hill, they tend to leave more than a couple of feet gap behind you, at least I try to. I know it will take me some time in the seat to get used to a slightly different clutch than my current Subaru Outback, but the C 240 6 speed is very good both clutch and smoothness of stick shift / short throws. Can't remember if there is a "dead foot" pad but I would think there must be. Ian