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Oldsmobile Intrigue, Sedan
#5042 of 12345 To each his own
Oct 25, 2001 (9:39 pm)
f1jules' uneducated comments beg defense. Calling the Intrigue mediocre without having driven it is ever much more mediocre than the car will ever be. His basis for comparison is from driving GM rental fleet cars in the early/mid 90s. GMs come a long way in that time and Oldsmobile even further.
He contradicts himself when he says he likes the classic Aurora but calls Intrigue bland. INTRIGUE WAS PATTERNED AFTER THE CLASSIC AURORA!
I've reread several articles which speak highly of Intrigue. Several compare the car favorably to european imports. One says Intrigue is "european" in its ability to soften bumps yet not isolate one from the road. Car and Driver found themselves "leaning on the Intrigue in curves as if it were a BMW". Another says the Intrigue has "european flair with japanese sensibility." The shortstar engine (exclusive to Oldsmobile) was named in the TOP TEN two years in a row by Ward's Automotive magazine.
I don't put blinders on and say the Intrigue is flawless, certainly from my experience I've had more than my share of problems that I shouldn't have to deal with. Even so, I generally agree with the positive comments above.
Something else to keep in mind is that Intrigue was never meant to compete with Porsche or any of those overexpensive dreamcars he wants (and by the way my friend who actually has a Porsche likes my Intrigue a lot, especially the engine, which another article called "gloriously expensive."
The Intrigue isn't mediocre. People that don't know it and then form opinions about it are mediocre. Some will jump to Intrigue's defense regardless and that isn't my point here. I respect the most ardent critic of Intrigue that has posted here (jgriff) because he actually did what Oldsmobile wanted and came from the imports to try it out but it failed for him. But it would be hard to find a car lover that wouldn't say at least SOMETHING nice about Intrigue. We can call it a failure because GM didn't sell as many of them as the ubiquitous buicks and chevys out there. We can call it a failure because many people don't even know what an Intrigue is or who makes it. We can call it a failure because of the overwhelming problems that the majority of Intrigue owners have had with their cars. But we cannot rightly call the car a failure because it didn't try. Who among us would rather have a 1997 Cutlass Supreme over a 1998 Intrigue? Not me. Not one bit. No way.
Oct 26, 2001 (5:46 am)
focus : To be honest, I generally prefer the style of American cars. I don't buy them to be patriotic and I have bought foreign names before. I like a number of foreign makes, especially Nissan Maxima, Altima and Pathfinder. I may even buy a Japanese car again in the future. In the end, I certainly feel a bit better driving a domestic make because I know it boosts the local and regional economies.
f1jules : You are an odd guy. You come here with zero interest or experience with the Intrigue and tell us what a mediocre car it is. What a joke. I think you best go back to the Honda forum. They will love you over there!
Oct 26, 2001 (5:47 am)
*** applause ***
Oct 26, 2001 (5:58 am)
I think you confused GM's ratings with Intrigue's. GM's is an average of its models, while the Intrigue is just one of these models. As all averages, some samples will be above it, others, below. From the information you found, it seems that the Intrigue is below GM's average.
However, good quality is not a synonym for good car. Saturn has good quality, but is a dog to drive. The Intrigue, on the other hand, has a lot of virtues that put it above the average car, Camry, Accord and Maxima included. Yes, maybe quality is not one of its virtues, but there are many.
When cars or anything else is rated, I don't just look at the conclusion, because it will be weighted according to someone else's priorities. I rather look at the individual categories and rank them to my personal priorities. That's why CR puts the dreadful Avalon as the top of large sedans while I put the Bonneville there, which I bought.
You see, journalists don't have to put their money where their mouth is...
#5046 of 12345 A walk down memory lane
Oct 26, 2001 (6:20 am)
Just went through the Original Intrigue thread and IntrigueII.
I found my first post which was on Feb, 20,1999.
I have been here for almost three years.
As i was scrolling through i remembered all of the people who are no longer here.
The old timers might get a kick out of some of these names:
sunliner, tander,lee18, angietoo, 1487, art16, lss1, chavis10, matt, lindsey, rachelspop, delrick, dwg, etharmon, marktest, j_coleman, spitasky, regfootball, tenn1975, tblacknite, racer_x_9, greybeep, JGT74, oscarz2, jennimatt, cncman, georgeduda.
I haven't heard from any of these guys in awhile.
one2one has been here since the beginning.
I found a post from fgriff1 form December 1999 so he has been here before.
#5047 of 12345 early problems
Oct 26, 2001 (6:27 am)
The early problems with the car were brake rotors and brake rotors and more rotors. Also the clunking front suspension were big issues among the early adopters.
Angietoo was a major poster in the beginning, but things turned sour for her and i think she got them to buy her car back. She had the auttobahn package if i remember correctly.
Oct 26, 2001 (6:39 am)
Yeah I remember posts from 1487, Chavis and Angietoo. I remember the ongoing fights between 1487 and Merc1 in the Cadillac treads...
Oct 26, 2001 (6:43 am)
Some of them are still around, under different names....
#5050 of 12345 re:f1jules- blind leading the blind
Oct 26, 2001 (7:07 am)
fijules, you did say you only commented on looks, but then go onto say:
"The Intrigue does not hold up well at all to the German or Japanese cars"
...and then say so in all areas, not just looks. Stop being hipocritical.
In fact the car does hold up well ergonomically and performance wise with its competitors, incl.
some so called superior german brands. Go away unless you provide facts per Road tests
et al. if you had, you'd be found for what you may in fact be: arrogantly pushing your euro/japanese brands sensiblities on cars. Oh, and BTW, at Road America Road course, i was able to pass, then hold off a 3 series for nearly an hour of 6miles/lab 12 turns/lab. I am sure that guy enjoyed reading "Oldsmobile" for that time.
In the end, you obviously just don't get it: provide input based on fact or leave. Failing to do so makes a fool only of yourself (consider that a done deal now).
#5051 of 12345 re: 4927
Oct 26, 2001 (7:10 am)
In my post, "lab" was mean't to be "lap". See f1jules, I admit my mistakes. Do the same and move on. See you at the track, following me of course.