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You are in the Oldsmobile Intrigue
What is this discussion about?
Oldsmobile Intrigue, Sedan
Oct 22, 2001 (7:43 am)
The Impala has the highest resale value of all W body GM sedans. In my neck of the woods you can get a 2000 Impala LS fully loaded with around 15K miles for $18K. A 2001 LS with 10K miles command a $21K price tag with the GM used car certification. The Regal and Grand Prix also have higher resale values than the Intrigue. The Intrigue, of course is the lowest. $10K for an intrigue after 36 months? That's way too optimistic. Watch those values drop like a brick when the Olds operation finally shuts down next year. Many banks have stopped leasing new Oldsmobile vehicles since the announcement of the closure of the division was made last December, amid concerns of the terrible residual values projected for these cars over 36+ months.
The worst midsize American sedan for resale value has to be the Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable. The DCX LH cars fall somewhere in between but they are still lower than the GM counterparts.
GM is at fault for the astronomical depreciation of the Oldsmobile lineup, but also they failed in their attempts to make these cars more visible, better packaged, better priced and with bank vault reliability.
A year old used 2001 or 2002 Aurora 3.5L should be a palatable idea....big bucks depreciation.
The Impala is still a Chevy and there are plenty base sedans in rental and commercial fleets such as police and Taxi cabs. But the LS model has carved a niche for itself among retail buyers and the car is in serious demand, something that can't be said of the Intrigue or any Olds model in despite of the cheap financing and the 5/60 warranty.
Oct 22, 2001 (8:14 am)
The 3.5l is a great engine with Intrigue, but not strong enough for heavy Aurora.
Aurora is a slow car with the 3.5l. It does not accelerate as fast as my 98 Malibu (with 150hp 3.1l engine), and lags when cornering.
Oct 22, 2001 (8:16 am)
The 4.0 V8 Aurora seems to remedy the lackluster performance of the 3.5L engined car but not by much according to the mags.
Both are beautiful cars IMO, and a bargain used.
#4926 of 12345 darryl80 and dindak
Oct 22, 2001 (8:19 am)
Could they be overfilling on the oil? I know this is probably an odd comparison but I know when I overfill my lawn mower with oil it smokes for awhile. Just a thought. Maybe you could take it to a different place for the oil change. Do you make sure they put 10W or 5W in it? maybe that would help.
Dindak: I like to use a soft toothbrush to remove any excess wax from places where I don't want it (the emblem, the Intrigue lettering and the Oldsmobile lettering and the cracks between the sheet metal and doors/trunk/hood. I don't believe it'd work with the black plastic on the bottom though. What I like to do is take a good wheel brush and scrub it clean with car wash soap. I do it once a month and it keeps it looking better. One thing I'd change about the exterior is that black plastic on the bottom. I wish it was body colored.
Has everyone seen how big Nissan's emblem is on their cars now? I'd like to follow and get me a big new bravada emblem and put it on the front of my car. It'd look very sharp.
#4927 of 12345 wax & trade in
Oct 22, 2001 (8:35 am)
Meguiar's advise is to put armour all or similar products on the vinyl parts first, that way any excess wax won't stick.
my 2000 ford focus wagon lost 45% in just over one year; fortunately for me, most of that was points i earned from ford credit card usage.
#4928 of 12345 insurance
Oct 22, 2001 (8:43 am)
Raised my deductible from $300 to $500. $34 difference for the year.
#4929 of 12345 re: 4791 " Someone who won't settle for mediocrity"- is Lutz
Oct 22, 2001 (10:39 am)
My favorite (recent) quote from Lutz, after viewing the new cars/concepts at a show...
"they all look like angry kitchen appliances!"
Heard that he and Wayne Cherry, head of GM design, are NOT getting long. An insider apparently told the press "they have thier good days and bad days, mostly bad".
...hey Wayne shut up and listen, you might learn something!
Oct 22, 2001 (10:54 am)
jg / redline : Thanx for the tips guys. I will try the toothbrush first (as I already have them around the house). If not, I'll get the cleaner. I like the black, but a colored strip would be easier to take care of.
focus : Are you married? I know that drops the cost down. Something must be pushing your insurance up.
yurakm : I tested a 3.5L Aurora and thought it was just fine. Intrigue is probably a touch faster with the lower weight, but the Aurora is no slouch. I too would love to pick up a used one some day.
Oct 22, 2001 (10:55 am)
Richard Wagoneer should advance Wayne Cherry's retirement package and let him go. Cherry is due for retirement next year. Let Brian Nesbitt (The guy who designed the PT Cruiser) be the next VP of product design for GM. Nesbitt is the current lead designer for the Chevrolet division.
Cherry thinks that the world should be full of Azzteks..
#4932 of 12345 Resale value
Oct 22, 2001 (11:08 am)
This debate sounds more like a snob-fest than a statement of the facts. Teo, if you post your numbers on a Camry or Accord forum, they'd laugh you off the Net. Impala numbers are not worth wasting brain power on compared to those vehicles. Most of us here purchased our vehicles with full knowledge of Oldsmobile's position. The fact that the Intrigue, Alero and Aurora exist is because of Olds slow sales and related issues from years past. So we knew what could possibly happen even before the announcement.
The truth of the matter is that, just like Ford, Chevy inflates their numbers with rental agencies. Take out the rental fleet and how many have they sold? More than Intrigue? Probably. But just because a car is not "popular" doesn't mean it's crap either. Tucker vehicles had features that took another 40 years to get to other cars. And some features still aren't used. Did it mean that Tucker's were bad cars? No; they just had similar management problems not too different from Oldsmobile. Let's not forget that first year Impalas also suffered from some of the same problems the Intrigue did plus some. And even with the problems that may still persist, Intrigues are not Hyundai Excels.
As for myself, I had the choice and CAN AFFORD to get a loaded V-8 Aurora, Envoy or anything else I wanted in that price range. With full knowledge of what "could" happen if I got another Intrigue I decided to purchase another one (purchased 7/11/2001). I choose neither of the stated vehicles because of not being able to fit comfortably (Aurora) and not being able to find a truck w/2WD & traction control (Envoy--4WD is big up in PA). I investigated a Regal GS but the left air vent blew on my left knee and the supercharger alone didn't make it "outperform" Intrigue. In the twisties, the Intrigue is phenomenal.
I also looked at Impala. And for me, automatic climate control was a deal breaker. Not to mention my Intrigue looks way better than any Impala I've ever seen (IMO), have gotten more compliments on it (inside and out), had no major problems, has all the features that are important to me---and my wife hates the Impala's looks.
In short, it's like the old Temple University commerical with Bill Cosby. "I could have chosen any car.... I chose Intrigue." That selection was based on experience, info both from other owners and the media as well as the 5/60 warranty. And, unless you have GM stock, why do you keep bringing up how much better Impala sells over Intrigues? Even if you do, the last I checked Chevy and Oldsmobile aren't traded as separate companies. If one hurts, GM as a whole hurts.