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You are in the Nissan Maxima
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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
May 05, 2004 (7:21 pm)
As a very happy 1995 Maxima SE 5-speed owner, my business was Nissan's to lose. They did. I'm prepared to spend $33.3k on a TL 6-speed Navigation. The fact that I could save $6,000+ on a Maxima SE doesn't make up for the fact that it is clearly a downscale car compared with the TL. And you are right, the true incrmental cost of making it an upscale interior might have been $1k at the most. Even the G35 has too much value engineering to make it attractive.
#8137 of 8985 Kennyg5, Habitat1
May 05, 2004 (8:51 pm)
I think that you would both agree that its much more than the interior that’s the problem. The car is a pretender to something(?). If it were a person, it has a lack of persona. It handles ponderously. It has the face of an old Buick Roadmaster but otherwise tries to be contemporary. It does not have balance between engine power and handling. We will never know, but it would be interesting “who” the marketing and executive folks at Nissan had in mind when they approved this design. Being the owners of a 97 Max SE, my wife and I would not buy this vehicle at "any" cost. We test drove an 04 Max, 04 Accord and 04 TL last Oct. It was not even close. The wife bought a TL. The second choice would have been the Accord and we both thought it far exceeded the Max overall.
#8138 of 8985 Re: TIRES 235/50-17 [bdlfe #8098]
May 06, 2004 (5:14 pm)
I tried Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 235/50/17's from the tire rack online. Had them delivered to the tire shop and was psyched to see them. The really looked good, wide, very tough....but, as you turned the wheel, they rub in the back of the wheel well. The installer would not leave them on the car for the obvious safety hazards...
Tire rack said they would fit, but obviously they didn't. So they took care of getting them shipped back and re-shipping the 225's to the installer free of charge. The 225's fit fine, but wish I had gotten the 235's. Much better looking, but rubbed quite a bit.
Hope this helps
May 06, 2004 (7:28 pm)
I agree with your assessment of the new Max to a great extent. However, I don't think the Max looks ugly, in fact it can look quite aggressive from certain angles. Yet the car does not handle very well in corners (even with the new IRS) or at full throttle starts (due to torque steer).
As some of the Max fans have observed, Nissan has made the new Max into an Avalon with a souped-up engine -- i.e. a roomy car(on steroids)with luxury pretensions but a lackluster sales volume. Unfortunately, the new design and formulation is not what most Max fans want ... the "4DSC" which the old Max used to be known for.
I recall Consumer Report described the new Max as a sporty (yet pricey) car lacking in refinement. Further, CR commented that the new Max would not compare well against the less expensive Camry or Accord (or even the Grand Prix), all of which are considered Max's competitors. Therefore, despite Nissan's wish to move the new Max upscale, the car mags' editors have not been so moved.
In addition, most Max fans (particularly those who are now more financially secure and are able to afford more expensive cars) do appreciate the difference in build quality between the TL and the Max. Thus, many (former) Max owners have moved to higher and greener pastures, even though the TL costs at least $3,500 more.
If Nissan wants the Max owners to look at the Altima as a replacement thinking that the lower-priced Altima will also please the Max owners, it has not made a sound business judgment and does not really know what Max fans want.
May 07, 2004 (1:37 am)
Agree with your assessment 100%. "Trading up" to an Altima? They have to be nuts.
Furthermore, even the G35 doesn't fit the bill as an upscale replacement for the Maxima. Why they couldn't put a TL quality and cleanly designed interior in the G35 is a mystery, but I'm beginning to think Nissan is forever lost in interior design by committee (with a few blind members). Even the 350Z looks tacky compared to my spartan, but high quality, S2000.
Repeated offers to sell me a G35 sedan 6-speed at or below invoice hasn't tempted me. Transplanting the TL interior into the RWD G35, with a few other minor adjustments would likely do the trick - and I would gladly pay above invoice for that combination.
#8141 of 8985 habitat and kennyg
May 07, 2004 (6:40 am)
Dare I say that Mazda is going the way of Nissan of old??? Zoom Zoom with pretty cool interiors on their 3 and 6 cars. If price is factored, I think the Mazda 6 is the new affordable "4DSC". And I'd be all over a Mazda 3 versus Civic, Sentra, Corolla, etc. Maybe the SE-R Altima will get me back on the bandwagon as opposed to bashwagon. I will say that I still do not mind driving my 2000 SE with 65K miles. Had an 02 sensor and altenator thus far, but still on original brakes. Just waiting for the coils to poop out.
May 07, 2004 (8:12 am)
i think you, like many still out there, discredit the altima simply for its name. a rose by any other name...
the fact is, its performance numbers are at least as good as the old maxima, the 2005 upgrades have matched or exceeded the old max's refinement, and the new SE-R should bring it all home.
and noone said anything about "trading up" to an altima...it would be a lateral move.
May 07, 2004 (9:35 am)
I think you hit the nail on the head. At least for me, personally...
It's too bad they can't go back in time and call the '05 Altima a "Maxima", and have a new nameplate for the '04 Maxima ("Maxalon"? "Maxabuick"?). I wanted a Maxima for years and when I saw what direction they were heading with the '04, I took the plunge and bought one of the last '03s. An Altima, for me, means "bland little sedan" and always will. My parents had a '96 and it was ok, but nothing more. Reliable as dirt, and about as exciting.
If my Maxima were totalled today, my first visit would be to the Cadillac dealer to try out a CTS. That car was out when I bought my Max, but at the time it had that crappy Opel engine and that turned me off of the car entirely. My second visit would be to the Chrysler dealer to try out a 300C. I find the Mazda 6 and G35 to be just a bit too small, although I'm sure both cars are a blast to drive.
It's funny how, in a year, I go from "must own Maxima" to "I'll give two domestic sedans a chance to impress me".
#8144 of 8985 last maxima or nissan i buy...
May 07, 2004 (9:43 am)
got rid of pathfinder in Dec. with 60K mile son it when dealer said ALL the ignition coils were bad and wanted 700 to repair..Wish someone would total my 02 Max so I can move on to a better brand...problem is cant sell it cause its worth 3K less than I owe...resale vaule has dropped like a rock...never again a Nissan or Infinity..
#8145 of 8985 2004 Cold Start Problems?
May 07, 2004 (10:27 am)
This morning my 2004 Maxim struggled to start. I know previous years Maximas had cold start problems but does the 2004 suffer from the same problem?