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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
Jan 28, 2004 (4:46 pm)
I will not be surprised if Nissan introduces 20 inch wheels/tires on the next generation Maxima. Bigger is better, right? This wheel/ tire size increasing fad has me baffled because the speed limits remain the same and Maxima is not exactly a 500 HP sports car so that you can take the hadling capabilities of those huge ultra low profile tires to their maximum. Remember too that low profile tires offer very little protection for your rims from road hazards such as potholes. And no mater how careful you are, sooner or later you run into a pothole, or run over something that will damage that low profile tire and wheel. An H rated tire, used on SE Maxima until 1999 is rated for sustained 130 MPH speed. How many people out there really need higher speed rating? If they do, they would not be buying a Maxima.
Jan 28, 2004 (6:51 pm)
The Edmunds Price with Options does not work correctly in that it allows you to double-up on options. For example if you select the Elite Package, that includes the Journey Package which includes Driver Preferred Package, etc. The Nissan web site does not allow this.
Secondly, comparing a Maxima with Elite Package is not apples to apples with most cars since this option is very unique to the Maxima. If you compare a fully loaded SE with Journey package, mats, power moon roof, satellite radio, slash guards, you get MSRP more like $35,620. A TL comparably equipped to this would be $37,328 (adding 18 in wheels, mats, splash guards and deck lid spoiler).
And I do agree that the SE would be discounted from this price making the difference even greater.
#7863 of 8984 jbadams
Jan 28, 2004 (10:13 pm)
One problem with buying fully optioned vehicles is that you never get your money back when time comes to trade the vehicle in or sell it on your own. For example, one can buy a base new 04 Maxima SE for about $ 24,700 (if you bargain hard), whereas a fully loaded one would be more like $ 33K. The difference on resale between these two vehicles four years later will be probably only about $ 1000. So spending extra $8 K for a fully optioned model is not worth it in my opinion. A base Infiniti M45 with a 340 HP V8 engine and rear wheel drive, which can be purchased for about $ 36K, appears to be a very tempting alternative to a fully loaded Maxima SE.
It also has a much higher level of standard equipment than the Maxima SE (e.g. leather interior, Bose steeo/CD changer, wood trim, traction control and dynamic control systems), not to mention far better warranty coverage and customer service.
#7864 of 8984 difference between loaded and base models
Jan 29, 2004 (6:58 am)
True, but if you plan to keep your car for a long time, then these differences don't matter much, and over that long time, you'll have the pleasure of having a car with everything you want. I personally love my GLE with leather seats, Bose system, traction control and all the other goodies. I plan to take care of it and drive it for at least 10 years. And on the other subject, I am really glad I don't have the expense of 17 or 18 inch tires during all that time!
Jan 29, 2004 (10:01 am)
your point is understood, but when dealing with car buyers, ive found that most of the people that buy for price are unhappy in their decision soon afterward. (ie...recent toyota commercials)
having the car that one is happy with is 99% of the time worth extra money. you may be in the 1% category, but your statement also only applies to the 1%.
#7867 of 8984 bowke28
Jan 29, 2004 (2:30 pm)
My idea of happy car ownership has a lot more to do with quality and long term reliability, then with number of gadgets. Unfortunately, the more gizmos you add to a car, the higher the probability of failure.
This idea is also practised in Europe where they use Mercedes Benz 240D taxis with a manual transmission and a radio. Some older ones do not even have A/C. Yet these cars are known to last 600K or more miles without much maintenance or repair. If you take the same vehicle, and load it with every conceivable electronic convenience, chances are that it will never get beyond the 100K-150K mile mark because the repairs will be so expensive that future owners will get rid of it.
#7868 of 8984 bowke28 and p100
Jan 29, 2004 (3:07 pm)
I will add one additional factor to p100s' statement.
Not only do all the gadgets add additional points of possible failure, they contribute to the earlier demise of a vehicle due to increased stress on components necesarry to run those gadgets (like alternators). This doesn't mean one should not buy a car with all of the gadgets you want, but it is worth thinking about when considering the true cost, both in initial investment and long term reliability.
Jan 29, 2004 (4:16 pm)
The only point of my previous post was to point out that if you use Edmund's to try to calculate a price by selecting options, it will be wrong because Edmund's allows you to select every possible option, even when selecting one should cancel out the other.
I don't need the economics lesson thanks.