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#7660 of 8985 Maxima vs. Altima vs. TL vs. 330i
Dec 14, 2003 (4:10 am)
Consider me among confused previous generation Maxima owners.
I don't have immediate plans to sell my 1995 Maxima, but if I did, it would be quite a dilemma. I actually like the exterior look of the 2004 Maxima (other than front grill). But the interior is dissapointing and it's build quality is slightly suspect. The performance side appears to be more advertising than actuality.
Forget the Altima. I stretched in 1995 to get the Maxima V6 when all they offered was the Altima 4-banger. I don't have to stretch anymore, so "downgrading" to an Altima and get an even less attractive interior is absurd.
Acura went in the right direction with the new TL, making the exterior dimensions somewhat smaller and sportier and offering a 6-speed and suspension improvements. It appears to have beat the Maxima at it's own game, and now probably qualiifies as the class leading "FWD 4-door sports car." Combined with an interior that is leaps and bounds above the Maxima, I believe the $3k +/- MSRP premium is well worth it.
And, if I really want sport, the 330i ZHP (performance package) can be had for around $38k using European Delivery.
I could be persuaded to re-consider the new Maxima if Nissan significantly upgraded the interior and fixed a few quirks. But I seriously doubt many previous generation Maxima owners want to hear that they now should consider the Altima. That suggests we can't afford to maintain our own status within the Nissan line-up. Fortunately, I can.
#7661 of 8985 Replacement for Maxima
Dec 14, 2003 (6:51 am)
I agree that suggesting that previous Maxima owners should now look to the V6 Altima is way off base. It seems to me the logical replacement is now the G35 - price is in the ballpark with TL/Maxima/325/etc., acceptable (if bland) interior, gobs of performance, longer warranty (particularly since it now covers the brake wear issue), improved dealer service, and (for what it's worth) more prestige with the Infiniti name. Doesn't hurt that the Infiniti's build quality (according to the most recent JD Power's survey) is tops.
#7662 of 8985 Maxima replacement
Dec 14, 2003 (7:24 am)
I agree that Infinity G35 appears to be the logical replacement for the Maxima. Altima is not in the same category as Maxima and addition of a 3.5 liter V6 to this car was a mistake in my opinion. A 3.5 SE Altima equipped with a sunroof, 5 speed, and few basic options will retail for about $ 25K which is not such a bargain, considering that a base Maxima SE 6 speed retails for about 28K. Infinity definitely offers much better warranty coverage and probably better customer service. And the price difference between the G35 and Maxima is very slight. And G35 is built in Japan so I have more confidence in the vehicle quality compared to US built Maxima. I have owned a number of US made and Japanese made Japanese vehicles. Without exception, US made vehicles had more initial problems than Japanese made cars. Every US made Japanese vehicle I owned had its wheels misaligned from the factory. A coincidence? I think not: lack of quality control is more like it.
#7663 of 8985 The 04 Maxima isn't the best buy for
Dec 14, 2003 (9:18 am)
previous generation Maxima owners for many reasons, most already discussed here.
It's too expensive and too ponderous to be the 4-door sports car it used to be against the many excellent alternatives mentioned previously.
As far as maintaining a place in the Nissan "pecking order," I have no problem considering an Altima when my current Max is gone. Maxima, Altima, who cares? They both come out of the same (usually) lowbrow dealerships and have the same (usually) overbooked and overpriced service departments.
If I was concerned about maintaining "status" in cars, I wouldn't want to drop from, say, Lexus or BMW to an Altima. But Maxima to Altima? The same thing. That's why the new Maxima, to me, is irrelevant. If I want to spend the coin a new Maxima costs, I'll go for a TL or G-35. If I want to go easy on the pocketbook (this is a second car), I'll look at the Altima. I just wish they'd do something about that gawdawful Altima interior.
#7664 of 8985 re: The 04 Maxima isn't the best buy for
Dec 14, 2003 (2:48 pm)
I totally agree with every point that ramped1 made... if i was in the market right now, i would probably look towards the altima if i was looking for something around the 23 to 25k range.. but if i were spending the 29 to 33k range, then it would be the TL.. and not the max..
#7665 of 8985 cheating service depts
Dec 14, 2003 (2:56 pm)
well, this weekend, i went to Koeppel Nissan in Queens, NY to get some resolution on my rotors.. i bought up the fact that at 20k miles, i had to get rotors resurfaced and now another 20k miles later, total at 41k miles, rotors are warped again, well... they didn't care.. so after examining my brakes, the tech said i had 0 pads left in the front... LIAR!!! i have my own mechanic who does all the work for my cars, and he examined my car 50miles ago, and there were plenty of pads left on it... probably 50%.. well, to resurface the rotors and new pads, $250.. ya right.. i ran like hell.. but they did charge me $45 for inspection.. well, i hope the $45 is worth it to them for losing potential business once i post on various boards like this one.. for $250, i could get brand new aftermarket rotors.. come on!!
and the kicker was, i mentioned there was a TSB on the rotors, the tech said.."on the maxima?" i'm thinking to myself...there's about 50tsb's on the maxima..do you work for nissan or are you just a good liar and like playing dumb.. maybe this is a common practice at certain service depts..
well..the moral of the story is.. i went to Koeppel Nissan even after hearing horror stories from one of my neighbors (happened to him 3 yrs ago with his new pathfinder), but i decided to give them a chance..what was i thinking!? some things never change...
Koeppel Nissan, Northern Blvd..Queens, NY.. potential service customers BEWARE!!!
Dec 14, 2003 (3:29 pm)
I was at the same dealership many years ago. I was there for an inspection on my 92 GXE, which had a cracked lense because some young kid accidentally ran his bike into the back of my car. I should note that my inspection sticker would have expired the next day.
The dealer said my car would fail inspection unless I fix the lense, and I was quoted a price of $200. I thought that was a rip off price, so I wanted to leave, but they said I had to pay the inspection fee even though they had not done a thing except looked at the lense. I did not want to pay so I called the cops. When the cops came, I told the cops that if the dealer wanted to charge me for inspection, they should do the inspection. They did, and they failed me.
The next day, I took the car to a nearby gas station and they passed me by simply putting a red tape over the slightly cracked lense. Thereafter, I replaced the lense for less than $50. A few weeks later (when the weather became humid and rainy), I had trouble starting the car, even though the car only had less than 20k miles. Then I noticed the plastic housing over the distributor cap had a hair line crack, and I had my suspicion of who might have done it, on purpose. Needless to say, I never returned to that dealership.
#7667 of 8985 Who takes the loss?
Dec 14, 2003 (6:30 pm)
I saw in some previous postings that the 2004 Nissan maxima has been discounted about $2.5K - $3K by some Nissan dealers. Another posting said that Nissan corporation did not offer any rebates on the 2004 Maxima. Does it mean that the dealer actually takes a loss on the sale of a 2004 Maxima?
In order to compensate for their losses may be they resort to gouging the customer in their parts and service departments.
I have owned ( and do own even now ) Honda, Nissan and Toyota vehicles. But I have seen the Nissan dealer in town to be the greediest of the 3, especially in the service department.
Dec 15, 2003 (5:56 am)
If people don't want to replace their Maximas with new Altimas, don't look at the new Maximas, since it is just a bigger Altima...hence the SAME platform. They almost look too much a like.
But I understand where the Maxima owners are coming from. Like I previously stated, my step grandparents drive nothing but Nissans...especially the Maxima. They have never considered the Altima or the Sentra and probably never will.
I can understand the point of people not wanting the new Altima as a replacement for the Altima. But like Bowke said, the Altima 3.5SE is supposed to be the replacement for the older Maxima models. Some do not see it that way. I am sort of in the median.
To me, if the Altima is supposed to replace the older Maxima, why is there no GLE-type model? The SE is the sporty Altima and to me somewhat replaces the Maxima SE ONLY. Its ride is more harsh and rough than the comparable GXE or GLE Maxima.
Don't tell me that the Altima SE with the leather package is the replacement for the older model GLE, not so in my eyes.
I guess that is what the new Maxima is for? It confuses me a bit.
Also, like many other posters, I feel that if the Altima is suppose to replace the Maxima, it should have interior materials that were at least on PAR with the last generation Maxima.
But I hear that the interior will be redesigned for 2005 and mimic the Accord (aka the supposed Benchmark)
Sometimes I wondered why they just didn't get rid of the Maxima, but then I think about my step grandparents and other loyal Maxima owners and I see why. The only problem is that my step grandparents don't like the styling or the interior of the new Maxima...ummm
Dec 15, 2003 (8:56 am)
Bowke can probably answer your question better than I since he sells Nissans, but essentially what dealers are doing is giving away most of their markup on the Maximas due to tepid demand.
At some point, probably soon, the Nissan will probably offer a manufacturer's rebate on the Maxima, unless demand picks up.
It is my understanding that new car sales, parts and service are separate departments at most dealerships and have their own balance sheets, so I'm not sure if new car sales can benefit from increased prices in service or parts.