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#7649 of 8972 dklanecky and bowke by kennyg5 Dec 13, 2003 (12:43 pm)
Dklanecky -- I was quite clear in my post (demise of the 04 Max?) that my comments are strictly directed at the Max, particularly the 04 Max, rather than the entire Nissan/Infiniti line up as a whole. If you read my post again carefully, you will note that was the only point I was making.   As an owner of 3 Maxes, 3rd, 4th and 5th gens, I think I know the Max quite well, and I believe my sentiments are shared by many pre-04 Max owners, i.e. we know what we want and the 04 Max does not seem to deliver. As Bowke concedes: "im sorry to all maxima owners from before for their car being different from the current model" Yes, the 04 Max is different and that is indisputable. The REAL bottom line for Nissan is - AS FAR AS THE MAX "FLAGSHIP" IS CONCERNED - will the former Max fans shop the 6th gen when it comes time for them to replace their Max. You can draw your own conclusion, but as I noted in my post, I believe the Max may become a dinosaur if Nissan does not take note of what former Max owners want. Even Bowke acknowledges that former Max owners are the best customers because they are repeat buyers. Yes, we are repeat buyers, but only if Nissan knows and delivers what we want.   It may very well be true that Nissan/Infiniti is making a very smart move for the entire line-up, as is evident from the fact that its profit has risen substantially over the past few years. However, as a Max owner, my views are more narrow (or myopic) because my focus is on the Max alone, and nothing more. Indeed, this thread is supposed to be dedicated to the Max, but we are free to diverge, of course, within reasonable limits. As noted, Max is the flagship car for Nissan for many years, and as a Max fan, I hate to see the flagship become a dinosur.
#7650 of 8972 kennyg5... by bowke28 Dec 13, 2003 (1:14 pm)
along with my point about past maxima buyers/owners, i would also point out that the altima 3.5SE is a perfect replacement for the previous maxima. many previous maxima owners are very closed minded about trying an altima on for size. you all might be pleasantly surprised.
#7651 of 8972 bowke by kennyg5 Dec 13, 2003 (3:03 pm)
That may very well be true. However, I do not believe many Maxima owners want an Altima whose interior materials are inferior and whose name lacks panache. You may also be right that Maxima owners can be closed minded -- indeed, we don't want a dressed up Altima even if its interior materials are better.   I think Nissan is trying to squeeze more profit out of the Maxima. That's ok because a moderate amount of greed is not bad. However, if someone spends $35k on an 04 Max, don't tell him that he gets the same showroom and dealer service as someone who buys a $12k Sentra. That is why I said Nissan has failed to properly place the 04 Max in its market segment.   The price of my 03 Max was slightly over $30k MSRP. To get a comparably equipped 04 Max, it will be $34k MSRP. The only way Nissan can get someone to buy the 04 Max is to cut the price, possibly by $3k to $4k or even more. Such a significant price cut for a brand new redesigned car, however, may be embarrassing for Nissan. Well, I will let Nissan figure this out!!
#7652 of 8972 kenny... by bowke28 Dec 13, 2003 (3:33 pm)
you said: "The price of my 03 Max was slightly over $30k MSRP. To get a comparably equipped 04 Max, it will be $34k MSRP."   no. the price of a loaded SL is $31400. the same SE is $32300. you are pricing the elite package with rear buckets and navi, which wasnt offered on your $30k 2003.   dont debate price points with me, my friend.   fact is, a loaded 2003 GLE is only about $800 less than a 2004 SL with the driver preferred package and sunroof.
#7653 of 8972 replacement for max by cheerioboy26 Dec 13, 2003 (3:58 pm)
I own a 2000 Maxima SE (my wife's) and a G35 for me. According to my wife, she either wants another Maxima (2005 by the time we buy it) or a Murano.   FWIW.
#7654 of 8972 Altima vs. Maxima by suydam Dec 13, 2003 (4:02 pm)
I wouldn't want an Altima because the interior is not nearly as nice as the Maxima. Speaking of which, I don't care as much for the looks of the 04 Max interior as I do my '01 GLE. I do like the look of the exterior. But then I'm not in the market and haven't driven one or even sat inside. When we were shopping, we wanted a very nice interior with rear seat room, in addition to power, handling and reliability. My comparison car was the Passat, which I loved but couldn't get at the time for under $30k. We thought the Max was every bit as nice as the Passat (ok, so the rear is "distinctive"!) for 4 grand less. I imagine that's a pretty typical first-time Maxima buyer experience. After that, my thought is, "I love this car; this is what I always want to drive!" Which I guess is the repeat-buyer experience. But I don't think either group would be happy with the Altima, which is why they are keeping the Max. -- Mary
#7655 of 8972 bowke by kennyg5 Dec 13, 2003 (4:18 pm)
I was comparing the MSRPs of the fully loaded 03 GLE and the fully loaded 04 SL. I paid $26.5k for my 03. Would I get a comparably equiped 04 SL for about the same price? If yes, then Nissan must be giving very SIZEABLE discounts for a newly redesigned car.   I am not knocking the 04 Max, trust me. I am a Max fan and the last thing I want to see is for the flagship to disappear from the lineup. I can also understand why the 04 Max is built on the Altima platform. It is cheaper to produce, particularly when they are both now built in the same U.S. plant. However, the Max may be construed, by some, as a dressed up Altima, like the I35 has been invariably been criticized as a dressed up Maxima. In the later case, however, the Infiniti nameplate gives you a longer warranty and better service, which to some, is worth the extra $$.
#7656 of 8972 $26.5k... by bowke28 Dec 13, 2003 (4:25 pm)
also had a $2k rebate. the '03s had them from day 1. that makes your price $28.5k. the SL is $31400. if you bought at invoice, you are at $28.7k. the fully loaded '04 isnt comparable to a fully loaded '03. comparing apples to apples, the car isnt much more than before. they just offer more now on top of that.
#7657 of 8972 bowke by kennyg5 Dec 13, 2003 (5:00 pm)
Apology, I should not have said a fully loaded 04 SL, because that implies having the elite package, which includes rear bucket seats, Nav and a few niceties that are not on my 03 GLE.   I just got off a website which gives the MSRP and invoice for the 04 Max SL. The base MSRP is $29.5k (including destination), if you add on driver preferred package, sunroof, full mats, mud guards and TCS, the total MSRP comes to approx. $33.2k, which is $3k more than a comparably equipped 03 GLE if you compare MSRP, not actual sale price. There, I just did an apple to apple comparison.   My point is Nissan is heavily discounting the brand new redesigned 04 Max to entice buyers, which does not bode well for the Max (it is only good when you are a Max buyer now, if the new Max is your cup of tea) when you look at how Acura is selling its brand new redesigned TL, Max's perceived competitor.
#7658 of 8972 corrections by kennyg5 Dec 13, 2003 (5:35 pm)
The MSRP difference is $2,200 not $3k. Inadvertent computation error ... sorry.

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