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#7601 of 8972 cross shopping by kennyg5 Dec 09, 2003 (8:03 pm)
I agree with Kyle that with the 04 Max selling at $30k, the "traditional" Max owners may now want to cross shop the Accord and Camry because the latter two can be had at around $25k.   I think Nissan has put itself in a difficult position because the 04 Max is not really in the same league as the 04 Acura TL or Lexus ES 330, and the Max is not usually cross shopped against the Avalon, which caters to a different audience, even though the prices of the two cars are quite close. Rather the Max is more of an in-betweener that is not quite entry luxury, but is slightly more upscale than the Camcords.   Talking about value, I think the Camcords beat the 04 Max even if it sells at invoice. Albeit the Max is a more powerful car, an average driver does not really need that much power in everyday driving. Further, the Camry provides a more comfortable (though a bit sedated) ride, which fits well with many woman and senior drivers. Also, the Accord provides a good compromise between the Max and the Camry in terms of ride comfort, handling and performance, and as such, is a crowd pleaser, as is evidenced by its popularity as the top selling family sedan.   Nissan has to rethink its strategy carefully as far as how the Max should be placed in the Nissan/Infinity line up. As we all know, the Max used to be Nissan's flagship and best selling sedan. Now, with the G35 and Altima taking away a chunk of the would be Max buyers, the Max may just linger in obscurity. The 04 Max is only six months old, but it is already selling at or close to invoice. This does not bold well for the Max, especially when compared with the hot selling TL, which is supposedly Max's close competitor.
#7602 of 8972 if shopping today for a car.... by kyleknicks Dec 09, 2003 (9:53 pm)
i would look long and hard at the accord (i only like the 2door, hate the 4 door) if my budget was $25G, the v6 accord with leather is one nice car, it might not be "luxo", but it's sure near the level my 2k maxima gle is..   if i HAD to get a 4 door at that price, i would get the Mazda6s... maybe an Altima v6   at $30G, i would go for a 04 I35 (i know it's old, but there's nothing else out there for $30),or maybe a Passat i know the saab 9-3 is around this range, but not my cup of tea..   in the $35, i would go for a TL, G35, ES330 ..   the point being, nowhere did i mention maxima, because afterall, it's a Nissan.. why would i pay a premium price for a non premium car? and this is from a huge maxima fan prior to the 2004 model year....lets' face it, acura, lexus, infiniti is a notch above nissan, if i had to pay a price that could get me one of those mentioned, is it wise to spend it on a nissan?   maxima = sad turn for vehicle with a solid history (nissan's bad marketing and poor product positioning)
#7603 of 8972 Kyle's car shopping by kennyg5 Dec 09, 2003 (10:04 pm)
Looking at your last post, I understand why you want the 03 Max For its price (I got mine last year at $26.5k before TTL), performance and content, it is a pretty desirable car.
#7604 of 8972 True about the Max by maxamillion1 Dec 10, 2003 (5:46 am)
I have always liked the Maxima...as a matter of fact, my step grandparents are avid Maxima owners. They will buy no other car. Period!   Don't even bring up the new Accord I am getting. They wouldn't have it.   To me the Maxima has always been one of those niche family sedans. It just doesn't fit into one particular category.   I can see people comparing the Maxima to the Accord, Camry (V6 models), TL and even the G35. Some people do not pay attention about RWD and horsepower. I do, but I can't afford to   To me the Maxima has always been more luxurious than the Accord and Camry, but it became most apparent to me in 2002 when they facelifted the 5th gen model. They added Xenons and memory seats to the GLE and an optional navi system. At that time, no other midsize family sedan offer those options. That has changed now though. Camry and Accord offer this system today.   The new Maxima to me seems less luxurious than the 5th gen and the quality to me is not as good, but I still like the car simply because it is a Maxima. The quality of the Maxima has been going down lately.   As someone previously stated, the 3rd gen was by far the best quality-wise, and to me the 4th gen was worse than the 5th, and the 6th is worse than any of them. Not as bad as pictures make it, but definately not up to near-luxury sedan standards. The 5th gen was close though.   Would I consider the new Maxima...yes...but not fully equipped. I would love to find a fully loaded 02 or 03 SE 6spd w/o Navi.   The older Maximas were better values than the new one because they offered so much as standard equipment. Xenon headlights were standard on the lowly GXE model in 2002, now they are optional on the SE. Memory seats used to be standard on the GLE, now they are optional on the SL, which is just crazy IMO. If a car cost this much, these options should be standard. I am aware that new things have been added, but for the price of this car, many of the optional features should be standard.   Although I never thought I would say this, I actually like the skyview.   And as wierd as it may sound, the new Maxima would be nice looking if not for that front end, which should be fixed ASAP.   Have a good one
#7605 of 8972 04 max grill by kyleknicks Dec 10, 2003 (6:26 am)
believe it or not, I've seen on the net.. i believe on maxima.org, someone had changed their brand new 04 max grill... it's one of those that have bars running hortizonally, aftermarket grills you see sometimes on Ford Expedition's.   it's actually very tolerable..
#7606 of 8972 kyle, kenny... by bowke28 Dec 10, 2003 (7:11 am)
kenny...   i have to disagree...the maxima with the driver preferred package rivals the build quality and equipment of a top-of-the-line TL, and is priced accordingly. you can get an SL with elite package (navigation, rear buckets w/heated seats, rear windowshade, etc...) for under $34k. none of the 'near-luxury' competitors you mentioned offer anything that even resembles this.   kyle...   the problem nissan has is that they havent made many people aware that the altima actually offers MORE size and features than the previous generation maxima.   having said that, most of the people that cross-shop the altima and maxima end up buying the altima.
#7607 of 8972 bowke by kyleknicks Dec 10, 2003 (7:40 am)
you know, you're right... i didn't know there were more room in the altima than my current maxima.. intersting...
#7608 of 8972 re:bowke by monte4 Dec 10, 2003 (8:28 am)
Well bowke the 02-04 Altima doesnot offer more features than the 02/03, but may be on par with the 00/01 Max but its quality is not no where near 5th gen Max standards. 02/03 Maxima offered; Memory seats(not avail on Alti),Nav(not avail on Alti),Hids,trip computer standard(optional on 3.5 Altima) and some other itmes not offered on the Altima SL or 3.5 and once again a much higher quality interior. The 02/03 Max was as well a clear step above the 02-04 Altima in quality and features and the 04 just seperated them a bit further.
#7609 of 8972 monte.. by bowke28 Dec 10, 2003 (8:49 am)
you are right...those features were "offered". but the car that was discussed at $26k had cloth interior, base engine, and none of the things you mentioned. the altima SE with leather can be had at that price with a good negotiator. that includes auto climate (not on the base max), bose cd changer (also not on the base max), leather and heated seats (not on the base max), more head room, leg room, trunk space, horsepower, etc...   if you loaded up a maxima in '02-'03, you still take yourself well over the $30k plateau.
#7610 of 8972 Grille... by lichtronimo Dec 10, 2003 (9:46 am)
There is a company called Grille Tech that makes a really great mesh grille for older Maximas. They don't have one yet for the 6th Generation, but its only a matter of time. It looks very much like the mesh grille on the Cadillac CTS-V or Jaguar XJR. Plus, its only $50 or $60 bucks. Very hot.

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