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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
Jun 10, 2003 (8:42 pm)
comparison of Japanese vehicles I owned built in Japan vs built in the US:
1992 Mazda Protege LX: built in Japan
Problems in 125 K miles and 7 years:
1. Replaced auxiliary cooling fan at 76K miles which wore out due to constant A/C use in Florida
1999 Mazda ES V6: built in the US
Problems in 67K miles and 4 years:
1. Alignment out of spec from the factory - corrected at 300 miles
2. Right front tire defective and replaced at 3K miles
3. Axles/CV joints defective and replaced at 9K miles
4. left front hub defective and replaced at 15K miles
5. A/C quit working at 30K miles, serviced 3 times under warranty and problem not corrected
6. coolant overflow bottle leaking and replaced at 34K miles. This also fixed the A/C problem because coolant leaked into compressor clutch harness connector
7. all four alloy wheels pitting and replaced at 40K miles
8. keyless entry remote broke and replaced at 49K miles
9. hood shake since the car was new - never corrected under warranty - Mazda service advisor told me there is nothing they can do
1998 Nissan Maxima SE: Made in Japan
No problems to date. 62K miles on the car.
1995 Nissan SE V6 4X4 pickup: Made in the US
Problems in 76K miles/8 years:
1. Wheels misaligned from the factory - corrected under warranty at 5 K miles when the tires started wearing funny.
2. Rear differential replaced under warranty due to loud whine (it started making noise at 3K miles)
3. Speedometer quit and was replaced at 55K miles
4. Fan clutch broke and was replaced at 70K miles
5. Turn signal/light switch broke and was replaced at 72K miles
6. Driveshaft center bearing fell apart at 76K miles and had to be replaced
It does not take a rocket scientist to draw some conclusions from the above data. This is my experience.
Jun 11, 2003 (4:33 am)
In addition to p100's personal experience, I offer two other broader data points:
(1) The US built Mercedes ML320/430 was rated second to last out of 100+/- vehicles in initial quality by JD Powers (the only Mercedes made in the US).
(2) The US built Z3 was the most problem plagued BMW model with respect to build quality and fit and finish since 1980. By contrast, the German built 530i has received Consumer Reports highest rating of all cars tested two years running and received the highest scores in the magazines 50 year history.
I do not think US-built cars are "automatically" junkier than their Japanese or German counterparts. However, I do think there are significant cultural, labor relations and other obstacles to overcome to achieve the same level of quality in the US. Few manufacturers have overcome these obstacles, as evidenced by Lexus and Infiniti continuing to build their "premium" brands overseas while their "standard" class vehicles are built in the US.
I wish this wasn't so; but I guess I voted with my own pocketbook when I bought a 1995 Japanese made Maxima over the US built Camry and Accord based upon product quality research I did back in 1994. I subsequently bought a Honda S2000 and found some comfort that it is built next to the NSX in one of the highest rated plants in the world.
Let's hope the 2004 Maxima is a change in the right direction. Even the Japanese built Maxima appears to have declined in quality from 1995 to 2003, so perhaps the bar isn't as high for the 2004 model to clear.
#6969 of 8984 CR TEST OF '04 MAXIMA
Jun 11, 2003 (6:14 am)
Consumer Reports was critical of the '04 SE they recently tested for its choppy ride, torque steer, and ridiculously wide turning circle (44 feet!). The car feels big and cumbersome. The SL has a less sporty suspension and smaller wheels, so possibly its ride and turning circle are better. Overall, though they rated the car "very good", a discouraging report compared to the top rated sedans tested now and earlier.
Jun 11, 2003 (2:25 pm)
And another issue i heard about is about its pricing, so many ppl think its way overpriced. I checked the new Maxima's price, including prefered package, sunroof, and other minors and the MSRP raised up to $32k+??? Is that normal? Cos right now I dont think its worth the money anymore. Too bad, cos I like the styling
#6971 of 8984 Nissan Tennessee Assembly Plants
Jun 11, 2003 (2:41 pm)
what's the latest status to those cars that got damaged by the hailstorms? Any feedbacks would be greatly appreciated! Is normal operations resume?
Is 3% over the invoice on 2004 Maxima SE automatic a good purchase price with options Journey pkg, VDC, F/R colored splash guards, and F/R/trunk mats?
Are all dealers asking for $500 refundable deposit on purchase orders?
We are willing to wait 2 to 3 months for this car.
#6972 of 8984 Assembly plants
Jun 11, 2003 (4:12 pm)
Ocuihs, we just received our ordered car last Friday (6/6).
We ordered it March 25 and went through our Credit Union (here in Las Vegas) who ordered it through a dealer in Phoenix. The Credit Union did not require money down, obviously you are in a different situation, but perhaps you could find something similar. We ordered a red opulence with tan leather interior SE with the sensory package, rear spoiler, floor mats, and 6 sp manual for a little over 29 K.
I must say this is a fun car to drive and does not feel big and cumbersome. This thing has power in every gear and brings a smile to my face. The other day I stepped on the gas (while in 5th gear) to pass a car on the freeway and had plenty of power. In our 98 maxima I would have probably needed to drop to 3rd for the same power.
Everyone (car magazines) keeps talking about torque steer but really is not a factor unless you plan to do a lot of drag racing . I do not feel it can be any worse than an 03 since the 04 is heavier and horsepower is up 10 and torque 9 from 03. I have not had any issues with torque steer but I have not pushed the car to its limits (and do not plan on it). Good luck all.
#6973 of 8984 turning radius
Jun 11, 2003 (8:24 pm)
Does anyone know if the 2002-2003 Maxima GXEs have a tighter turning radius than the 40ft the SE and GLE have (because of the 16 inch wheels)? I sure have hated the 40 ft turning radius of my 2002 Maxima. It's like driving around in a sport ute. I've made more 3 point (and sometimes more) turns in this car than I have my whole life. When I read the 2004 Maxima has a 44 foot turning radius I just about fell on the floor!
#6974 of 8984 jg28--TURNING RADIUS
Jun 12, 2003 (12:41 pm)
Measures of turning radius are not standardized, so you have to be careful not to compare apples and tangerines. To minimize the measurement, some auto makers measure from the circle made by the front tires. Unfortunately, the car doesn't end at the front tires but at the front bumpers. A more accurate measure--one that Consumer Reports uses, I believe--measures from the front bumper. Thus, CR reports the '04 SE turning radius at 44 feet, while the auto magazines, taking the figures from the manufacturer, report 40 feet, I believe.
Jun 12, 2003 (4:39 pm)
Turning Radius Specs
4th Gen 15": 34.8'
4th Gen 16": 34.8'
5th Gen 15": 35.4'
5th Gen 16": 35.4'
5th Gen 17": 40.0'
6th Gen 17": 40.0'
6th Gen 18": 40.0'
Source: www.nissannews.com <~~ no refuting this source
Jun 13, 2003 (4:29 am)
I recently had the opportunity to go for a long test drive on the new 2004 Maxima SE with leather, sunroof, nav...the works.
It;s pretty obvious that the car is decent and quick. Nevertheless, it is nothing big compared to my 2002 max with the same feautures (less nav). The new design lacks in detail as far as the interior is concerned. The doors do not have leather (as older models do). The material (cheap) runs all the way forward into the dash. The panel is plastic (regardless of what these salespeaple say about it being "aluminum" and it looks cheap.
I was excited at the prospect of getting a new one but the interiors did not live up to the exoectations.
THE CAR IS NOT REALLY FASTER THAT THE PREVOUS MODEL. YES TECHNMICALLY IT HAS 10 MORE HORSEPOWER BUT IT IS ALSO HEAVIER AND IT DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING IN REAL DRIVING EXPERIENCE.
Also, the front PLASTIC grill sucks and will break if rocks smack it at high speeds.
I will go for a TSX, G35 (they go for few hundre over sticker basically) or IS 300 (also go for sticker) before I buy this cheap looking car.