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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
Jan 08, 2003 (6:42 am)
Nissan does seem to play around a lot with horsepower ratings. I am sure there are some differences that can be extracted out of "tweaking" essentially the same engine, but it's getting a bit absurd. Nissan's 3.5 liter V6 is being used in almost every model from trucks and SUV's to the 350Z (and much of Infinitis line up as well). Depending upon the application, ranges from 240 hp to 287 hp. I think that's more marketing BS than engineering reality.
Whenever I take my 1995 SE in for service, I get an offer of a test drive of the newest model. When the 3.0 liter V-6 was "tweaked" in 2000 to jump from 190 horsepower to 222, I was skeptical. Sure enough, when I test drive a 2000 SE 5-speed, it actually felt slower off the line than my 1995. Independent tests by Road and Track seemed to confirm that, with the 2000 rated at 7.0 seconds 0-60 vs. 6.7 seconds for the 1995. Perhaps the weight creep between 1995 and 2000 offset any actual horsepower increase, but I also believe that Nissan either underrated the 1995 or overrated the 2000. It wasn't until they actually increased the displacement to 3.5 liters in 2002 that the car got quicker in the real world.
As it stands, the Maxima is quick enough for me. Nissan's credibility is a bit tainted though.
Jan 08, 2003 (7:21 am)
" I think that's more marketing BS than engineering reality. "
So are you saying that the horsepower figures are really all the same? The tweaks in hp are most likely real. Different intake/exhaust manifolds, cams, and air/fuel mixture are all components that will vary hp in applications that use an engine that are the same in displacement.
Jan 08, 2003 (8:29 am)
It's called "refueling"
Jan 08, 2003 (9:49 am)
I have to believe that hp ratings have to be somewhat close to the real figure. Look at what happened with the Ford Mustang Cobra and more recently Hyundai. Both companies misrepresented hp figures and got hit with lawsuits.
If Nissan's figures are wrong...someone should call them to the carpet.
#6165 of 8984 blh7068, eblum
Jan 08, 2003 (11:39 am)
From my own experience, seemingly confirmed by Road and Track, the 2000 Nissan Maxima SE 5-speed with 222 horsepower was slower than the 1995 5-speed with 190 horsepower (0-60 in 7.0 and 6.7 seconds respectively). They both had essentially the same 3.0 liter V6, with the modifications in 2000 to the exhaust system.
I know there are a lot of other factors that could lead to this result. Vehicle weight, etc., etc. But the point is that Nissan went hog wild "marketing" the horsepower increase when every test of the new car showed it to be the same or slower than it's predicessor. That's why I referred to it as more marketing BS than "engineering reality". Maybe I should have said "real world results" instead.
As far as "calling Nissan to the carpet", they have had their share of embarassments. As drexel92 pointed out, the current Maxima was initially rated at 260+ horsepower and then, after some challenges, all the brochures and other materials changed to 255. The Q45 has been resoundly beaten up for hiding its 340 horsepower somewhere other than the engine compartment. Test it against a similar weight 282 hp 540i and it's pretty embarassing. I'm not sure this stuff is worthy of lawsuits, given the state of world affairs. But I would still let my butt-o-meter validate performance rather than rely on horsepower figures that, even if technically accurate, are not always directly correlated to performance.
Jan 08, 2003 (7:20 pm)
apparently i'm new here i just hav a qs, i'm gettin a max next month, i'm wonderin how much do u guys think it would be for an 02 max with 30 thousand miles or less with standard tranny? Thx
#6167 of 8984 habitat1
Jan 08, 2003 (8:29 pm)
I also don't think lawsuits should be used as long as the company makes good on their promises. Ford fixed the underpowered cars and Hyundai is giving extended warranties. I hope these cases make manufactures think long and hard before they post bogus numbers.
Jan 08, 2003 (9:17 pm)
I am liking the 2004 exterior more and more now (like the orange!), but why is the dash design so freaking ugly? I thought the Altima was sposed to be a premium car.
Jan 08, 2003 (10:09 pm)
If you think the Altima is a premium car, think again. It is almost like saying the "premium" Bose system in the 03 Max is an audiophile's dream machine. Ha ha ...
In any event, I don't understand your sudden and totally unexpeccted comment about the Altima while you are talking about the Max. Am I missing something??
Jan 09, 2003 (7:04 am)
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