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#41 of 8249 vwguild by marsha7 Oct 29, 2000 (1:39 am)
Thanks for clearing part of my confusion. It appears that this Passat-Plus may be a great way to buy an A6 w/o the A6 price. And, 280 Hp will be more than sufficient, better than a 2.7 turbo. Maybe the interiors won't be as snazzy as Audi, but won't the cars be virtually the same except for price? Also, are there more VW repair shops than Audi, or am I blowing smoke to myself? Bob
#42 of 8249 VWGUILD by audiandpassat Oct 29, 2000 (2:41 am)
Apology accepted. That jet lag can be heck. I understand your sensitivity about oneupsmanship on this site, but bragging had nothing to do with why I wrote about my deal. More to help others know that they can negotiate successfully. It's a matter of helping each other, no? Now that we've made up, I'm going to keep my promise about doing something else on the internet in the future rather than checking in on Passat VIII. Good luck all.
#43 of 8249 Marsha7 by vwguild Oct 29, 2000 (4:22 am)
This car, which we will see mid to late summer will be the first in a series of stair step products from VW/Audi and Porsche...The Passat Plus will be first then the Porsche built SUV that we will share and finally the D1 Varient. If you go to vwvortex.com ...news archives for Oct./Nov 1999, there is an interview with Herr Neumann from the Frankfurt trade show...pretty interesting stuff...then check out *timeline* at the same site. No smoke...just better value...
#44 of 8249 No problems here by rickrover Oct 29, 2000 (6:57 pm)
I haven't had a problem with my 2000 GLS 1.8t in 10k miles. A freind at work has a 99 Passat GLX with 40k that hasn't had any problems either. Another guy at work has a mid 80's Jetta with over 300k miles - I doubt that it's been trouble free in all those miles but I can tell you it's still on the road, I parked next to it the other day. It will be interesting to see if VW can pull off this migration up-market with the Passat plus and D1.
#45 of 8249 VWGuild... by snurple Oct 30, 2000 (12:14 am)
Have you thought of switching over to selling Saturns? That way, you wouldn't have to deal with all of the nogotiating and haggling and tension. Saturn has done pretty well (via their no-haggle pricing) at overcharging people who don't mind paying more for that "feel-good feeling" that you claim the act of buying a car should be all about. Unfortunately for most people, BUYING a car isn't much fun at all--DRIVING a new car can be--but actually walking into dealer after dealer to find both a fair deal and a pleasent salesman is a difficult and often lengthy process. That, precisely, is why forums like these exist--for people to share their stories and exchange information. Well, why don't you join in. Perhaps you could share your side of the story regarding the interest-rate padding scam that was just discussed on 20/20 on Friday. Is it true, as 20/20 and the New York Times claim, that dealers consistently bump-up the interest rates they get back from the bank and pocket additional profits? (i.e., Dealer Dan says to an hopeful customer: "The best the bank can do given your relatively poor credit is 13.5%"--when in fact the bank actually came back with 10.5% and the dealer just added a 3% interest rate markup!) If you are an honest, upstanding dealer, I think that all of the consumers at this site would appreciate your insight into how to avoid the various scams that other dealers employ. I suspect that this would probably be much more helpful for us than what you appear to be saying in your last few posts--which is basically: "Don't go into a dealer with any hope of getting a great deal."
#46 of 8249 snurple by vwguild Oct 30, 2000 (2:59 am)
Your second *snippy* response in the last few days oh well...I am sorry that the 20/20 piece and that of the Times has come to you so late...I believe that practically every major forum has advised that the customer arrange their own financing before going out to buy a car...not unlike getting a pre-approved mortgage. This sane advice, pretty logical too, helps the less disciplined not to look beyond their means. I have already addressed this issue when I stated a few posts back, that practically every customer I have comes in with a loan already approved. This is generally through their business related credit union or a FCU/Bank. Or they are *one pays* personal check, etc. I also mentioned that if Volkswagen Credit is offering a better rate; I will give them the opportunity to take advantage of same. The 2000 Buildout rates etc., that were offered during August & Sept. were coupled with Incentive cash to the dealer, HOWEVER, the customer could only avail themselves of one or the other; not both. A customer either got the rate 3.9% for 24mos, for example or an additional $1000 discount from the dealer...whichever the customer found more favorable to their situation. Have you every seen an add for companies that say *rent to own*? If so...you will find there the folks that are the most typical *victims* of this practice...they are also the the folks that pay 19%-21% for their credit cards, they probably have a *repo* on their credit report or collection, collection, collection, collection, collection, collection, discharged, collection. Like everything in a free market society, an individual pays for services rendered, and this is one of the fees that the less responsible among us pay. On the other hand, their are those who have been responsible with their purchases, paid their bills on time, have a little money in the bank, and a computer in the den, and KNOW what rates they are entitled to. Almost catagorically, every dealer will roll a car based on an *either or*... short for either our rate or yours. If a customer can get a better rate, then, that is honored...if not; the either prevails. Automoblie Dealers work very hard creating relationships with lenders; that work allows them to get loans approved for people that other wise couldn't finance a ham sandwich...and for this, the dealer can elect to compensate itself for that influence and effort. To be *PC*..."those with less than perfect credit" pay more...always have and always will... no one in this country is rewarded for being irresponsible. Finally, as reluctant as I am to even acknowledge your first and last...let me suggest that you go to my site...I believe that it is possible to provide a customer with a fair price...no hassles, no haggling, no back and forth to a Manager...I are one, and to have a great experience. Exactly what you are suggesting in your Paragraph #3. If the Internet Prices posted there are not enough the customer can go elsewhere and go into the trenches...and rid themselves of the great experience part, as well as the no hassle, no haggle.
#47 of 8249 That's *snappy*, not *snippy* by snurple Oct 30, 2000 (4:49 am)
I've always considered my comments to be the first not the second. VWGuild: I seem to disagree with one of your core beliefs--I do not think that the auto industry should prey on the weak, even if we do live in a "free market." Your defense of the usury practiced in these instances by your industry (in collusion with the banks) is a classic attempt to "blame the victim." Of course the buyer should beware, but that doesn't excuse the deception. The Edmund's True Market Value often exceeds the prices from other internet buying sites because it takes into account what some people have *overpaid* for a particular model. Those who want a good deal should use the TMV as one of their many references, but they also should also shop around, pitting dealer against dealer. By all means, go check out Mr. VWGuild's site, but don't assume it's a good deal... After all, the bricks and mortar dealer that employs him wouldn't want his internet prices to undercut their lot pricing by too much--or else people would think that the lot was charging way too much. I would think it much more effective to shop an internet site bid around to several dealers and see who wants to do business. Can't wait for the 2001.5 Passat! In case you forgot what bb this was...
#48 of 8249 Post 24/48 Paragraph #4 by vwguild Oct 30, 2000 (5:41 am)
Unless I need to get a new Prescription the word there is *Snippy*. And according to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary...USURY is interest in excess of a legal rate... And, sir, I do not equate *the weak* with the irresponsible. And I do not know who the *victims are that are being blamed*, nor for what...
#49 of 8249 cd changer by crackers1 Nov 04, 2000 (2:09 am)
I would like to put a cd changer in my 2K passat it has a monsoon radio system with no cd ; however the radio has a cd select button. It appears that it is already wired into the trunk.Can anyone help?
#50 of 8249 crackers1 by vwguild Nov 04, 2000 (4:11 am)
You can go to Circuit City or your local VW Dealer, or you can order direct from VW.COM under accessories

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