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Sep 12, 2003 (12:40 pm)
anonymousposts, styling of the 7th gen Civic is hardly "fresh". The coupe really hasn't changed its overall shape since 1993 (5th gen). The sedan has few modern features that, for instance, the Corolla has, such as bar style door handles and a taller hood and roof profile. At least Honda is now throwing away the LX's 14" wheels, something it should have done 5 years ago. It's clear that Honda, now wants to design a small car that's all things to all people. A car that has become dull, flabby and unremarkable. I remember reading about the 5th gen. Civic in auto mags, and it would always be the one to beat. Now it is mediocre at best. The 04 update further proves, that Honda only wants to attract those drivers who consider driving a way of getting from point a to point b.
Sep 12, 2003 (3:08 pm)
Mediocre at best? That's your opinion. But it is hardly dull, flabby, and unremarkable. I will trade a bit of height and bar style door handles for a fully independent suspension and a seat that my 6'6 fiance can actually sit in.
And so what if the current coupe resembles the 1993 Civic. The 93 Civic coupe was, and still is, one of the best looking cars on the road. Look at it compared to a 93 Corolla, Protege, Cavalier, or Sentra.
Sep 12, 2003 (3:13 pm)
I have to agree with mdriver. Honda wants the Civic to be a high volume car that will provide reliable transportation to the masses.
The difference a few years ago was that the Civic not only provided reliability but was easily the most stylish among its competition. Even Honda now admits that the current Civic has a significantly higher age of customer than previous generations.
Sep 12, 2003 (4:32 pm)
I find it hard to believe a 6'6" can fit into a civic. I'm 5'11" and my head is touching the roof all the time. Even my coworker who is 6'2" says he cannot fit into a corolla. A 6'6" can fit into a civic? That must be kidding. Or that person must have his/her body leaning toward the middle of the car and drive like one of those rocket-racers or have his/her head sticking out of the sunroof.
Regarding the civic, seriously, can Honda add some excitement to the design. Like a previous poster said, it's based on the same formula: bigger, a bit more power, little changes to the head & tail lights......
For the 2004 model, I also wonder if they copy the headlight design from Mazda 6, Protege and the Camry.
Just test drove a Vibe base model, with same engine and suspension as the corolla. Not expecting any power and speed from the little engine. Although I hate my civic, I actually think the civic engine is better, more quiet and smoother. But the ride of the Vibe is WAY better and smoother than my 2001 civic even the Vibe/Corolla has a rear axle. I really wonder how many people care if it's a rear axle or independent suspension when they go buy a car. I think most of them won't even notice any differences.
#2945 of 4041 Response to Toyota vs. Honda by Dudka
Sep 12, 2003 (6:05 pm)
With all due respect Dudka, if you think you're gonna get any better reliability from a VW Golf or Jetta (equivalent to your Civic SI), then your kidding yourself, because VW has major reliability issues up the yingyang. VW products are some of the least dependable/reliable products on the market today. I read of numerous late model Jetta engines failing. I will say that the Jetta has a very nice, high quality interior, but I'd never buy one. I'm sorry you got a Civic SI that is problematic, as the VAST MAJORITY (probably 95-99%) of Civic's are extremely reliable and Honda makes one of the best 4 cylinder engines I've ever seen. They're extremely smooth, even at high rpm. I think everything else will fail on a Honda way before the engine ever will.
#2946 of 4041 I actually like the Civic Update
Sep 12, 2003 (6:59 pm)
BUT...I still think that the Corolla is overall, a better sedan.
Yes, the Corolla has a beam suspension, but the Civic has been critized since it was redesigned for its front suspension setup and harsh ride as well. Espeically the 2001 and 2002 models.
The interior of the Corolla is also more refined than the Civic (Which has looked the same for years, with its single din radio)
I also think the Corolla has a better engine.
But the Civic is a close second, especially the updated 2004 Civic EX.
Sep 13, 2003 (4:30 am)
Yes my 6'6 fiance can fit in a Civic. Not as comfortably as he does in his LS400 or GS300 but we have owned a 89, 93, 96, 98, two 2000's, and a 2002 and he has fit fine in all of them. Tried sitting in a 2003 Corolla and he couldn't even get his foot to the gas pedal. Same for the Matrix.
As for the interiors, the Corolla has a nice design but the materials are no better than the Civic. Sat in a 03 Civic coupe Thursday and was impressed with the interior fabrics and nice looking gauges. As for the Civic looking the same inside for a while you can same the same thing about BMW's, Porsche, Mercedes, etc. Why fix what isn't broken. I know that any time I get in a Civic it's an instant home.
The 2004 headlights are more 1998-2002 Accord than anything.
Looks very 04 Civic-ish right down to the wheels.
#2949 of 4041 '04 nose job
Sep 13, 2003 (9:58 am)
Personally I like the old nose better than the new one. When I saw the new one, my first thought was that it did not look like it meshed well with the styling of the rest of the car; it looked too rounded for the rest of the car. It also screamed at me, "generic Japanese small-car styling!" That might be considered a good thing by Honda, however, as it is likely to be inoffensive to anyone.
Sep 13, 2003 (9:13 pm)
Well if the Civic copied it's front end design from the 6 then the 6 copied it's front end design from the 98-02 Accord because the new Civic headlights scream Accord.
Just looking at legroom numbers won't tell you the whole story. The design of the dash, steering wheel, seats, and pedals all come into play. Now don't get me wrong, the Civic isn't the most comfortable car on the planet for him, but it's a very driveable car for him. He has had problems with MT Mustangs, the Corolla, the S2000, the WRX, even a pre-2000 Land Cruiser. Those are just the ones that immediately come to mind. But he did fit fine in a Toyota MR2, 89 Civic wagon, 87 Toyota Corolla, and yes the assorted Civics/Integras we have owned.
We saw a 2004 Civic Hybrid tonight while purchasing our new car. IMHO the car definitely has class. Besides, it's better to look "generic" in the opinion of some people who probably have no intention of buying a new Civic anyways than to actually BE generic ala the Cavalier, Sentra, Elantra, etc.