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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Dec 26, 2004 (2:26 am)
I have been driving both Mercedes and a Hondas in the past 4 years, the Honda has lots of rattling and body panels squeaking issues which the dealer cannot fix. There is also a nasty brake clunk which my Honda dealers (yes I tried more than one) claim it's normal.
It is true that my Mercedes also have their fair share of problems but the dealer managed to correct all problems.
The same cannot be said about our Odyssey.
Apparently, even the new 2005 Odyssey also has squeaking side doors, wind noise from bad window seals (check out odyclub.com) which keeps me away from trading in our 2002 for now. I hope the 2005 model will have a more durable transmission, our 2002 Odyssey went through a transmission recall and it never shifted the same after the service.
I always drive the E for long distance as I can't stand the squeaks and rattles in the Honda. I wanted to like the Honda as they're so much cheaper than Mercedes, but I can't due to their many problems and inferior (as expected) driving dynamics.
#6053 of 6720 Re: Changing Spark Plugs of '96 E320 [microrepair]
Dec 26, 2004 (7:28 pm)
Actually it is not service department gouging. The spark plugs on these engines are to replaced every 30k per service lit. It does not mean they won't last longer, it's just what MB recommends. Other manufacturers such as Honda are the same way on their older engines.
Also, the newer V-6 & V8 have 100k plug change intervals.
#6054 of 6720 Re: New E320 [y2ktony]
Dec 26, 2004 (7:34 pm)
The all weather mats are the way to got. Your dealer is right about the beige showing more dirt. They do look a little weird in black, but do save some clean up.
I know that Terk makes a very small magnetic antenna that might integrate with the stock system.
Aftermarket phones are okay, but I'm not sure about integrating one into the Comand system.
Dec 27, 2004 (2:50 pm)
Wow Mercedes has quality problems you don't say? Should I trade in my rattlebox $45K when new 1995 Honda built Legend which should self-destruct anytime now with 110K miles. Or should I get an E class with purdy looks but an inside made of low rent materials or get the all new RL. Do I want the image queen or do I want a more advanced, better built car made by a little known company called Honda Motors. Or do I wait and get the all new GS Lexus in black with a red blow tie of course and 350 hp V-8. Or maybe wait till Mercedes starts using Japanese built parts so they will fail earlier than expected and make the service guys happy and busy.. My new unique Mercedes will have the new easy access integrated front towing hooks the Japanese brands might someday copy on theirs.
Dec 27, 2004 (3:05 pm)
Call me when Mercedes has "figured" out the quality from surveys you care little about. I wanna be first to read about it. Maybe I can sway these owners that don't care about quality so they don't make a mistake and rush over and trade in their S class for the far less advanced LS430.
#6057 of 6720 Re: [bobcatman] Surveys
Dec 27, 2004 (3:47 pm)
Hey bobcatman since you wanted to be called, you failed to include your phone number? By the way, since you apparently defer to others (surveys, etc) to make your decisions, I am curious; in order that you never make a purchasing mistake, do you always refer to a "survey" and insist that the subject item be rated "high quality" before you purchase the item? I suppose that the Dealers that sell Japanese autos don't even have service departments since by definition (or surveys) their autos never need maintenance.
#6058 of 6720 Re: Mercedes vs..... anything [footie]
Dec 27, 2004 (5:31 pm)
" "No other marque holds up as well as MB."
And where are the stats to support that? "
My point here is not specifically with "reliability", but rather with durability, particularly the body integrity as noted in the last paragraph of the report linked in a prior response from "sapporo". MB's built 20 and 30 years ago had little for electronics and as a result have been durable and reliable. I personally am not convinced that the MB's built since the late 90's will last nearly as long as the older ones, and I think I made such a statement in my earlier post. Most of the old MB's still look good because their sheet metal and paint have held up well. In my area, New England, it is rare to see any Japanese car that looks good after 20 years. But there are many MB's and BMW's that do look good after that length of time. From my own experience I can tell you that the paint on my 1988 Mazda after 9 years did not hold up nearly as well as the paint on my 1996 E320 after 8 years. No contest..! On the other hand, the Mazda cost me next to nothing, in repairs, to own for 99K miles and 9 years. The E320 did cost me $3K at 115K miles. And that's when I decided to start thinking about selling it.
And I think it's foolish to spend as much in repairs as the original cost of the car, which I also suggested in my prior message. Unless of course it's a Buggatti.. And worth 100 times more than it's orginal purchase price..
"There isn't a Mercedes available today with an AWD system that is good and capable as the one in the Infiniti G35x or new Acura RL."
I would disagree with you on this. The M-class has a superlative AWD system. And I think it is now being used on a few other models as well.
I personally liked autos a lot more 30-40 years ago when I could do most of the work on them myself. Now, the home mechanic doesn't stand a chance of doing anything other than changing the plugs or the tires due to the plethora of electronic controls on virtually every functional element of the car. That's one reason I don't have or want a NAV system with all the problems that it seems to cause. The other is I belong to AAA and prefer to do my navigation by paper map and not be watching an electronic screen while driving. For the same reason I do not use a cell phone while driving; I would rather pay attention to the roadway and the other drivers, since most of them AREN'T paying attention.
#6060 of 6720 Re: MB Diesels [haspelbein]
Jan 04, 2005 (12:53 pm)
I have a 1997 E300 D and have problems with the car surging/sputtering at 40 to 60 miles an hour, do you have any idea what may cause that?
#6061 of 6720 Re: MB repair and service [retnav]
Jan 04, 2005 (1:07 pm)
Where is Don Pool, I go to Euro Imorts for service. American Service and HBL go there sometimes too ") I have one problem he hasn't solved yet and that is surging/Sputtering at 40 to 60 miles an hour when I go over that it stops. it also seems I have pressure build up in the gas tank and gas comes drips out. Wonder if that has some thing to do with it???