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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
#6048 of 6720 Re: Can I say the C-word here? [sean3]
Dec 24, 2004 (5:24 am)
1) I think it would be informative for you if you actually read the JDPowers site about how they do their studies. They ask questions of several hundred thousand vehicle owners. The answers are reported as problems per hundred cars. If Mercedes, or any other car company, was being unfairly rated, their lawyers would have JDP in court in a blink. They aren't, so the results you see are very indicative of likely experience over a large number of owners. So, IMHO, your individual experience or even your friend's Honda is statistically insignificant.
2) I missed that problem with engines seizing in the "majority" of the Toyota and Lexus vehicles from 1997 to 2001. Perhaps you can provide a link to let us read up on it?
3) Probably the best indicator of the reliability difference is Toyota's and Lexus's market share growth, quarter over quarter, year over year. If people didn't love em they wouldn't keep buying them. And the vast majority of Toyotas are made right here in North America, imagine that. The red hot Lexus RX330 is made in Canada too!
#6049 of 6720 Re: [sapparo] Posting #6039 of 6042 [tomotomo]
Dec 24, 2004 (12:59 pm)
Mybe yours didn't but that doesn't mean anything in the bigger scheme when thousands of cars are sampled statisticly. One positive owner experience doesn't quite make the brand just like one bad 1st year all new Honda model or that rare Lexus lemon model does either.
No way do the germans or any other european brands build electrical systems as good or sound & stable in cars or other products like the Japanese do, I'll put money on that anyday of week on that. When they do finally do I'll be the first to note that. The E class made the least reliable list go figure.
#6050 of 6720 Re: [sapparo] Posting #6039 of 6042 [tomotomo] [sapparo]
Dec 24, 2004 (2:54 pm)
Before I purchased each of my automobiles I went and "figured", then I purchased what I wanted. I guess I don't care about the "bigger scheme" and I doubt that I am the only MB owner with a "positive experience". I may be wrong, but I believe most people buy what they like rather than what some organization thinks/reports based on their so called "statistical sample". I don't care what someone thinks/reports about the Japanese auto electrical systems since I don't care for their automobiles. I have owned a few different Japanese autos in the past and I still like the MB best.
#6051 of 6720 JD Power - Consumer Report
Dec 25, 2004 (4:35 am)
Just bought my second E Class in 2004, I reported to JD Power that I was not satisfied with the performance of the transmission.(Nothing wrong mechanically) I believe it rev's too high prior to shifting, But I doubt very much I would have said the same thing had I bought a Honda.
We pay more & expect more out of a Mercedes. So these JD Power Report are well intention, but they do not give you the full story. If you look at some of these letters coming in,it will tell you that Mercedes owners are very picky, from car wax the car wax they use etc. The styling and handling cannot be match by any Honda or Lexus, this does not come into play in JD Power.
Dec 26, 2004 (2:26 am)
I have been driving both Mercedes and a Hondas in the past 4 years, the Honda has lots of rattling and body panels squeaking issues which the dealer cannot fix. There is also a nasty brake clunk which my Honda dealers (yes I tried more than one) claim it's normal.
It is true that my Mercedes also have their fair share of problems but the dealer managed to correct all problems.
The same cannot be said about our Odyssey.
Apparently, even the new 2005 Odyssey also has squeaking side doors, wind noise from bad window seals (check out odyclub.com) which keeps me away from trading in our 2002 for now. I hope the 2005 model will have a more durable transmission, our 2002 Odyssey went through a transmission recall and it never shifted the same after the service.
I always drive the E for long distance as I can't stand the squeaks and rattles in the Honda. I wanted to like the Honda as they're so much cheaper than Mercedes, but I can't due to their many problems and inferior (as expected) driving dynamics.
#6053 of 6720 Re: Changing Spark Plugs of '96 E320 [microrepair]
Dec 26, 2004 (7:28 pm)
Actually it is not service department gouging. The spark plugs on these engines are to replaced every 30k per service lit. It does not mean they won't last longer, it's just what MB recommends. Other manufacturers such as Honda are the same way on their older engines.
Also, the newer V-6 & V8 have 100k plug change intervals.
#6054 of 6720 Re: New E320 [y2ktony]
Dec 26, 2004 (7:34 pm)
The all weather mats are the way to got. Your dealer is right about the beige showing more dirt. They do look a little weird in black, but do save some clean up.
I know that Terk makes a very small magnetic antenna that might integrate with the stock system.
Aftermarket phones are okay, but I'm not sure about integrating one into the Comand system.
Dec 27, 2004 (2:50 pm)
Wow Mercedes has quality problems you don't say? Should I trade in my rattlebox $45K when new 1995 Honda built Legend which should self-destruct anytime now with 110K miles. Or should I get an E class with purdy looks but an inside made of low rent materials or get the all new RL. Do I want the image queen or do I want a more advanced, better built car made by a little known company called Honda Motors. Or do I wait and get the all new GS Lexus in black with a red blow tie of course and 350 hp V-8. Or maybe wait till Mercedes starts using Japanese built parts so they will fail earlier than expected and make the service guys happy and busy.. My new unique Mercedes will have the new easy access integrated front towing hooks the Japanese brands might someday copy on theirs.
Dec 27, 2004 (3:05 pm)
Call me when Mercedes has "figured" out the quality from surveys you care little about. I wanna be first to read about it. Maybe I can sway these owners that don't care about quality so they don't make a mistake and rush over and trade in their S class for the far less advanced LS430.
#6057 of 6720 Re: [bobcatman] Surveys
Dec 27, 2004 (3:47 pm)
Hey bobcatman since you wanted to be called, you failed to include your phone number? By the way, since you apparently defer to others (surveys, etc) to make your decisions, I am curious; in order that you never make a purchasing mistake, do you always refer to a "survey" and insist that the subject item be rated "high quality" before you purchase the item? I suppose that the Dealers that sell Japanese autos don't even have service departments since by definition (or surveys) their autos never need maintenance.