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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Oct 22, 2004 (12:55 pm)
I just traded my 96 E320 in April for a 2001 E320. Two years ago at 115K miles I had to replace the starter, front rotors, all brake pads, shocks, serpentine belt for approx. $1600. Six months later at 125K miles I had an oil leak in the head gasket. One dealer quoted $1700 (no loaner), an independent garage quoted $1900 (no loaner) and my selling dealer quoted $1350 with a loaner! Unfortunately when the did the head gasket they discovered that the water pump was shot too and they did that for only $300 instead of the normal $500.
So in about 8 months I spent approx. $3500 but it ran like a new car again. I kept it for another 15K miles but get leary of keeping it to 300K like some folks I know because all the dealers and mechanics said that the head gaslet is not a permanent fix. It could easily blow again in 50-100K miles.. It's a design flaw with the straight six and will fail for the first time in the 150K mile range. Mine was a little early, but yours at 73K miles is absurd... You may have a lemon. You probably should consider getting rid of it before the leaks and other issues get worse.
Like r1_97, I too bought a 2001 E320 5 months ago and I bought 2 extra years on the Starmark so I should be fully covered until the 100K mile mark at which time I will trade it before the repairs start.. Hopefully for a 2005 E500... I just drove one at the Love Mercedes tour in Boston and can't believe how much better it is in every way from my 2001, which I think is a big step up from the 1996-7 model. Now if only they could make them to last for 300K miles like they used to back in the 80's...
#5964 of 6720 E500 AWD - Does it decrease performance?
Nov 01, 2004 (4:55 am)
After spending many hours perusing the Forum for an answer, I've decided to post my question/situation. I was hoping for some direction regarding adding AWD to the vehicle I'm currently in the process of ordering with my dealer.
I'm about to purchase a new E500 and am very curious about potential shortcomings and perceived/known benefits of the All Wheel Drive system. I once test drove an Audi (4 series) with the Quatro system and felt that it accelerated like a sick dog. There was a large perceptible lag from pedal to response time. I ended up with a BMW 528 instead.
I'm now looking "for something different" and a E500 MB seems to fill that want. I currently drive at all hours (day/night) due to the nature of my job and irregardless of the weather. I lived 9 years in Chicago with a Mustang GT, so my driving skills are aptly honed by that experience. I surely love the concept a vehicle that would stick to the road in all conditions (including the recent heavy rains I've been driving through in the steep mountain passes I have to travel in my current California residence). I feel avoiding one accident or spinout on a highway such as these will easily justify any extra charge for the AWD and the slight sacrifice in gas mileage.
However, I'm afraid that the AWD will sacrifice performance and make the E500 I get "less peppy" to drive (i.e., loss of acceleration), but maybe that was just because I test drove an underpowered vehcile (i.e., the Audi A4). Furthermore, are these systems breakdown prone?
I'm grateful for any thoughts or advice you folks might have on this issue.
#5965 of 6720 Re: E500 AWD - Does it decrease performance? [sced]
Nov 01, 2004 (7:20 am)
I can't imagine why an E500 would not be "peppy" enough for you, with or without AWD. If you want a hot rod and can afford it, try an AMG or a BMW 540 with an 8 cylinder engine. That should satisfy your need for speed and handling. If you're really concerned about "avoiding one accident or spinout," SLOW DOWN!
#5966 of 6720 Re: E500 AWD - Does it decrease performance? [sced]
Nov 01, 2004 (1:56 pm)
I would go with the 4Matic and the V8. You won't be sorry. Even my current E320 4Matic doesn't feel like a total dog compared to the non AWD CLK320 I had.
#5967 of 6720 Spark Plugs for '96 E320
Nov 01, 2004 (3:59 pm)
MB guys: Do we need to change spark plugs for '93 E320 at 30,000 or 60,000 miles interval?
#5968 of 6720 Re: E500 AWD - Does it decrease performance? [sced]
Nov 01, 2004 (4:24 pm)
My feelings are that you ought to widen your scope of car choices.
Even though the MB E500 is still competitive at this performance point, you pay alot to get a car with a not so sparkling availability rating. Perhaps a look at the Infiniti G35 AWD would be informative.
If driving all hours day/night and regardless of the weather is important, then a car with a high level of 'getting you there' is important. Infiniti is right behind Lexus in reliability and low defects.
Additionally, the MB 'fourmatics' are older, fixed front / rear distribution AWD systems (60/40), whereas the Infiniti system is 1st 100/0/100 system that puts everything in the rear when it's needed and everything at the front when its needed there - and everything in between. This takes very sophiscated mechanics and electronics, an area where the German makes have been having a tough time in the last decade.
If you go to Edmunds' Compare Vehicles feature and compare a G35 AWD to an E500 you will see how remarkably close in size they actually are. The G has more head room, their wheelbases are the same and the features and options are very similar.
Plus you can buy 2 G35 AWD's for the price of one E500 4 matics. IMHO: Shop around. MB isn't the technical leader in this space, are low on the value scale. Like a Rolex, they are great jewelery, but average timepieces.
Unfortunately, they don't make a wagon so they dont' address the virtually identical post you made over in the MB Wagon area.
Nov 01, 2004 (10:23 pm)
"Plus you can buy 2 G35 AWD's for the price of one E500 4 matics. IMHO: Shop around. MB isn't the technical leader in this space, are low on the value scale. Like a Rolex, they are great jewelery, but average timepieces."
Hmmm, if one wants an E500 Mercedes-Benz and/or a Rolex, then who cares if a G35 or a Timex is a fraction of the cost. Folks should buy/drive/wear what they want and say "To hell with the opinions from the peanut gallery."
#5970 of 6720 Re: Footie [shipo]
Nov 02, 2004 (3:54 am)
I would generally agree with your comment.
But interestingly enough, I put a deposit on an E320 CDI earlier this year and the bloody Mercedes / Acura dealership owner convinced me to try a TL 6-speed instead. He knew my strong preference for manual transmissions and, sure enough, the TL was a lot more fun to drive. I was still strongly considering the CDI, but was also dissapointed by its inferior navigation system, lack of Bluetooth phone technology, extra cost/inferior upgraded audio system, etc. Not to mention its handling and cornering, RWD vs. FWD notwithstanding, did not match the tighter suspensioned TL.
So, after waiting for a year for the CDI to hit our shores, I ended up going with a TL, thanks in part to the Mercedes / Acura dealer. Don't get me wrong, I think the CDI is a great car and my marketing director loves hers. But apparantly I wasn't so enamored with "Mercedes" as to be unable to be persuaded by a less expensive - and more compatible - alternative. My only three regrets are - I still would prefer the TL to be RWD, Mercedes seat comfort is superior, the CDI makes gas station stops less frequent or painful.
The next sedan I have my sights on is the new M5. Unfortunately, if BMW only offers a 7-speed SMG as rumored, even this $85k car will fall short of a major preference of mine and I might have to "stoop down" to a 545i 6-speed, M3 or other alternative. Having the money to spend doesn't necessarily mean it's the right choice.
#5971 of 6720 Re: Footie [shipo] Wanting Peanuts
Nov 02, 2004 (5:16 am)
Folks post here to get feedback from the peanut gallery. Welcome aboard.
"Wanting" something for impressionistic reasons is always a choice. It's what marketing and merchandising are all about.
In the case of the MB car line sold in the US there's about $2500 worth of 'want creation' in each sticker designed to make folks feel good about a questionable value proposition.
Websites like Edmunds do an incredible job of putting facts and reviews in front of people caught up in a bad case of "want".
#5972 of 6720 Re: Footie [habitat1]
Nov 02, 2004 (5:44 am)
Hehe, then again, there is the case of the folks like me (and you?) who WANT a car with three pedals more than we want one with three points on its star.