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#5776 of 6720 fsmmcsi - Chrysler 300C?
May 31, 2004 (2:54 pm)
I seriously considered the E320 CDI before electing to go with a new 2004 Acura TL that we picked up on Saturday.
I would agree that the CDI is, IMO, the only E class to get, short of the $80k+ E55. It doesn't match the E500 in performance, but the difference is not that great. And if I thought I'd be driving upwards of 30,000 miles a year, I likely would have gone for it.
I hate to state the obvious in a way that sounds disrespectful of US manufacturers, but I can't believe that too many prospective buyers trying to decide between the various Mercedes E-class models would give a Chrysler brand product any consideration. Not that they shouldn't, but I just don't think it happens in the real world. The 300C may have S class rear seat room, but so does a Crown Victoria.
There are a lot of negative reports on Mercedes decline in product quality over the past several years, from Consumer Reports to JD Powers to almost all of the major industry reviewers. It is my understanding that the new E-class is an improvement. But any link to "Chrysler", even in name only, reinforces an image problem that Mercedes now needs to combat. We kept hearing that the merger would not affect Mercedes status or product quality, but the coincidence is too great to be ignored.
So, for now at least, the E320 CDI is the only "luxury" class diesel automobile sold in the US that has the additional appeal of great mileage and impressive performance.
May 31, 2004 (7:43 pm)
I have a 99 E320 and an considering a 2002 E430. Is the E430 a sound investment, especially if it has low mileage and another two years on the warranty? Was the last year of the E430 a good one? I got a little gunshy about the new 03 and 04 E class reading on the web and seeing in the news about the multitude of problems and recall regarding the brakes. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
#5778 of 6720 Buying advise '00 E320 sedan
Jun 01, 2004 (8:23 am)
My first try with MB, I have found a clean '00 320 and am looking for advise on items to look for before purchasing. Is the '00 model year a good bet?
Jun 01, 2004 (9:02 am)
just came back from europe, most new e classes are a 220cdi, i rode in a few, very quick and very quiet. the 320cdi available in the states will have no problem keeping up with traffic.
#5780 of 6720 Conservation Is NOT the answer!
Jun 01, 2004 (9:50 am)
...To our fuel problems. It is a PART of the answer, but only a part. The other part is discovering new sources & developing & pumping what we know we have right now. Oil as a main stream fuel only has another 20-25 years tops, until it is replaced by the next thing. (and it will have had a good run! The coal companies were stunned when we started choosing oil over coal at that time) In hindsight, we will look supremely stupid if we let our enemies ruin the world economy or let them destroy us, while we left the oil that we need now in the ground, never to be pumped again, because because in near the future we will use a newer fuel...invented right here.
Jun 01, 2004 (11:52 am)
Biodiesel is 100% renewable, so it will not run out - unless we can't grow crops anymore, in which case we have bigger problems.
That is part of the appeal of the 320 CDI, not just the economy, but the potential for total independence from imported oil. We are, after all, the breadbasket of the world, why not grow our fuel, instead of paying farmers to not grow anything.
Jun 01, 2004 (3:29 pm)
Umm I owned the predecessor of the 300C the 300M. There is no way I would even consider a 300C after the exprience I had with the car and the dealerships. I have an Infiniti and a Honda now and the experience is worlds apart. The 300C will be worth 45% or less of what was paid for it in 24 months. Actually I haven't seriously considered MB because of the quality of my chrysler. However I wouldn't cross shop the 300C and the E-class at all.
#5783 of 6720 Cross shopping
Jun 01, 2004 (4:43 pm)
Yes, DCX is keeping the MB brand targeted to people who want to pay more. We own an '02 C230K, bought new in '03 for $25,500, but I am not going to write a check for a car with anything greater than a 3 at the left end of the amount.
However, the automotive press reports that the 300C is attracting some MB, BMW, Cadillac, and Lincoln trade-ins. For DCX, the excitment in North American is currently centered on the 300C and Magnum (introduction 6/17).
It is a shame that they only plan to import a few of the E320CDI cars, and that they are not (yet) offering diesel engines in all of the DCX cars sold here.
I won't post here anymore, but hope everyone has a good time with their new cars.
#5784 of 6720 I saw one......
Jun 02, 2004 (4:38 am)
I have a 2000 E430 sport that has 26,000 miles. The car has been virtually flawless. It has the coldest air conditioning which is a strong point for me on any car.
One small issue was that both vanity mirror covers broke off during warranty. Just the other day the passenger broke off again. These are made pretty cheap. Now that the car is out of warranty, I'll have to cough up the $200 (?). I only have 26,000 miles, how many times has this thing even been opened in 55 months... I can probably count on two hands!
I saw a 2005 E320 CDI on the lot and I was really shocked at the fuel mileage...27/37. This particular one listed for $56,000; had heated seats and the rear shade plus a few other options. Very tempting! When I went back a few days later to check the lot again, the CDI was gone. Someone snapped it up pretty quick!
I hope that Mercedes goes back to the old braking system, why mess with something that works perfectly?
#5785 of 6720 Re: Conservation Is NOT the answer! [barry45rpm #5780]
Jun 02, 2004 (8:34 am)
Innovation comes from necessity. Pumping more oil and thus lowering the price is a temporary fix and will delay innovation.
In Europe they're paying $4.+ per gallon for gas. New diesel and hybrid designs come about because gas is expensive. Our dependence on foreign oil will continue until we bite the bullet and force more conservation and stimulate use of alternative energy sources. Is driving Hummer and gas guzzling sports cars worth the cost to our economy, environment and political sub servitude to oil nations who hate and exploit us?