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#5658 of 6720 High Mileage Cars - Keeping Your Benz...
Feb 24, 2004 (8:18 am)
Some things come to mind with a high-mileage cars and the hope that a "Benz" will make it to that magic number:
I spent 50 grand on my 2002 E-320. I hope to keep it for 10 years in the justification that, if I didn't purchase it, I would have purchased (2) vehicles in that time frame about 25/30 grand each. I do have an extended warranty with Geico (so for major breakdowns, I hope to be covered)...
But, why is it important to have a car that can go 300,000 miles? Would it not be better to have a car for 1/3rd of that and purchase a new one at then (luxury cars should offer you a good trade-in/resale value - but not at 300,000 miles)?
If you're driving luxury, why put up with potential headaches of repairs?
Chances are that the C/E-Classes will not be a "collector's" car; having it for a long time will not put money in your pocket at the antique car auctions (Like a Gullwing...). For that, chances are better with the SL.
In general, past performance is not indication of future results (especially in regards to Benz' of late)... So why is a 300,000 miles important?
They don't make them like they used to, so why bother trying to keep them like that?
#5659 of 6720 High mileage cars - Technology still changing fast
Feb 24, 2004 (2:58 pm)
I agree with Edsoto but also feel that new technologies will continue to make newer vehicles from most luxury car companies safer, more efficient and enjoyable.
It also used to be the case that MB introduced technologies before other car companies. This might have made buying and keeping a MB for a long time a good option, because everybody else was still catching up.
But today much technology development is being done by suppliers and much new technology is electronic. The time to market for the new technologies is very fast and MB has more than it's share of problems dealing with electronics.
It's easy to imagine a world not too far off where:
Weather and road conditions are broadcast on Digital Satellite to your car.
GPS tells the ESP computer system where the car is in real time, which is integrated with local weather and road conditions. This helps improve the algorithms being used by ESP to determine kind and cause of wheel slip, vehicle yaw, etc. versus driver inputs.
'Feel and Handling' will no longer be differentiated by manufacturer. The driver chooses a 'feel' that they might enjoy in terms of road feedback and handling, ranging from traditional MB settings to clones of various BMW, Jaguar, Lexus and Cadillac rides. GPS and weather are also sent to the Adaptive Suspension and Steering System. The Adaptive Suspension could be based on the rheological shocks from GM and Honda's dynamic ratio power steering system. The GPS and Direct Satellite info will also be provided to the suspension and feel subsystems.
Window glass will be programmatically adaptive to glare and other lighting conditions using LCD filters and polarizers sandwiched into the glass.
All of the lighting in the car will be LED's.
Seats will have electronically controlled memory gels that allow controlled conformance to several different drivers. The gels will also help reshape seat bolstering based on driver inputs, ESP and Adaptive suspension. If you want to drive through the mountains at speed and feel like you are in a sport sedan you can dial it in.
Virtually everything about the car will be voice controlled and interactive. Dad will be able to loan his car to Junior for a date and control where it can go and log where it went.
Well, maybe my imagination is in high gear. But if I can think of this, imagine what the real car engineers are thinking!
#5660 of 6720 High milage maintenance costs
Feb 24, 2004 (4:23 pm)
Just bought a 2001 320 from MB dealer. Car had 14K miles and was Starmark. Existing new warranty still has 1 1/2 yrs plus another yr w/ Starmark Plus bought 3 yr 0 deductible policy from MB $1400. Add it all up and I have 5 1/2 yrs of warranty from MB.
It took me 3 months to find the right car & it is now has warranty for 5 1/2 yrs or 100,000 miles.
To me this was the most economical way to have low maintenance for up to 100,000 mi.
Strongly recommend extended warranty as A/C repairs can cost $2-3,000 up plus as someone already posted car is full of electronics
#5661 of 6720 greasykid1 & others w/ Extended warranty
Feb 26, 2004 (2:04 pm)
This is my first experience with an extended warranty and I'm not happy. It seams like they are set up to take your money and the loop holes provide ways for them not to pay. Here's my experience, I'm interested in hearing about yours.
My wife's 2000 Ford Windstar had a 50k mile warranty and we purchased the best warranty extension available to bring us to 75k miles. She had no problems with her car until recently. She has 60k miles on it and she started hearing noise when turning and the check engine light stays on. So she brought to Ford Service.
1) Service said that a leak in a power steering hose caused the fluid to somewhat slowly leak out, thereby causing the PS pump to go bad. They said there was insufficient oil in the pump to lubricate it properly. The Easy Care Vehicle Service folks (this is who we have our extended warranty with) said they wouldn't pay for repair because "hoses" are not covered and if a non-covered part causes a covered part to go bad, they don't pay for the usually covered part. We never saw any fluid on the driveway nor garage floor so we never had any indication of a problem. I do admit that I never checked the fluid level. So shame on me. I just assumed that it was checked during service. They also said that a tie rod was making noise, but that's not covered because the "allowable field tolerances have not been exceeded."
2) Service said the engine check light was on because the intake manifold gasket was leaking air. Ford redesigned the gasket to solve this problem. But the Easy Care Vehicle Service folks say they won't pay for repair because they only pay for repairs due to "defects in material" not for repairs due to the need to install redesigned parts.
I have a Warrantybynet contract on my 2003 E500. I also got the best one available. It also says they don't pay for hoses and has other language that I now wonder if it could be used as grounds for claim denial.
So I'm wondering, do these things ever provide value or is this a con game? I'm thinking about cancelling both policies.
Feb 27, 2004 (2:28 am)
I think you are suffering the consequences of getting an "aftermarket" warranty.
I considered getting an extended warranty for my 2002 Honda S2000 a few months ago before it turned 2 years old. After checking into prices, I contacted my Honda Service manager who is highly honorable. He advised me to either not get an extended warranty at all or get the HondaCares authorized warranty. He gave me several examples of repairs that would have been approved by Hondacare's direct authorization with a 5 minute phone call that took days to resolve - and often denied - with aftermarket warranties. And the aftermarket sleezebuckets often try to point to "other causes" such as the dealer service department, etc. Their entire business model is based upon collecting premiums and minimizing claims payouts.
I ended up taking his advice and not getting anything, since I can still get the Honda extended warranty up to the three year anniversary. However, in the future I would never consider an aftermarket warranty over a manufacturer backed one. The peace of mind with an aftermarket warranty is mostly a falacy, as you have found out.
P.S. About the only item I was concerned about with the S2000 was clutch / transmission repairs. The clutch isn't covered under any extended warranty. However, with HondaCares, they authorized my dealer to do severl clutch replacements under "goodwill". Try getting that type of treatment from Easy Care or Warrantybynet. They have no incentive whatsoever to create goodwill between you and the manufacturer.
Feb 27, 2004 (8:05 am)
the same thoughts and discussion on extended warranties, reliability, etc of MB's in general and E320 specifically. I am looking to replace my 96 E with a 2001 or 2002 E and was talking to my salesman yesterday and he agreed that the days of driving a MB mostly trouble free to 200K miles and beyond are gone. He said that even their regional sales reps will admit to that "off-camera" so to speak. He says he has noticed the "cheapening" of MB cars during the last 10 years. Right now, the only sedan that comes with a full size tire is the S. Up until last year at least the E came with a full size spare as standard. No more.. And that is indicative of what has happened to the brand. As well as most of the other German brands.
In my case, mine has cost me over $4000 since hitting 114K miles (9 months ago) and all that is left for a major repair is the transmission and alternator. My salesman says that a transmission can run $4-5K.. Ooops.!! My checkbook isn't THAT big..! So, if I get another E it will not be in my garage beyond 100K. That will be the magic trade mileage for me..
As for extended warranties, mine had the Starmark warranty and I did have a couple of things taken care of under that policy. No quibble, no deductible, no problem. Aftermarket warranties are a crapshoot. I won't buy another used MB without Starmark, period. Greasykid1 got a good deal on 3 extra years of Starmark for $1400. My salesman quoted me $1600. For a car with only 16K miles on it, getting the extra 3 years is a smart move..
#5664 of 6720 Extended Warranty
Feb 27, 2004 (3:43 pm)
At the time, I didn't consider the EasyCare Warranty to be an aftermarket because it was sold to me by the Ford Dealer. The same dealer who has provided all service on the car. When it was sold to me the closer said that while it was more expensive than if I bought it outside the dealership, they worked closely with EasyCare and it would be trouble free. Sounded reasonable.
Is HondaCares and Starmark, Honda and Mercedes manufactures warranties or are they really 3rd party business relationships between the auto manufacturer and a warranty company?
#5665 of 6720 Extended Warranties
Feb 27, 2004 (4:39 pm)
I agree that I would only buy the mfg of the car warranty. Have a 2001 Jeep GC with 4 yrs of extended warranty from Chrysler. Has come close to paying for itself the first year. Have had both seat warmers replaced plus a steering problem.
Have 0 deductable. Cost $300 more than $100 deduct.but I"m sure we will be ahead after 4 yrs.
I believe that the sevicing dealer also is very important. Our Jeep dealer is very helpful,hope MB dealer is as good.
Also bought the longest warranties as my wife says I can't buy any more cars for a few years.
Feb 28, 2004 (9:24 am)
is supported directly by MBUSA as far as I know from conversations with my salesperson. A dealer, if they want to offer Starmark on a used vehicle, must perform a rigid inspection/repair/maintenance process and then pay MBUSA approx. $1500 to have it registered/certified so that you can drive into any MB dealer in the US and get it fixed. If you buy a new MB then you have only one year to purchase Starmark as an extended warranty. Starmark is a no deductible policy which is why it is so expensive if you want to purchase additional years when you buy a used MB. Audi's certified program requires a $50 copayment when you bring it in for service. I think BMW's certified program is a no-deductible similar to MB's.
Given the potentially high cost of repairs on a MB or BMW, I would hesitate to purchase a used one without the mfr. certified warranty unless the particular car was very low mileage for it's age AND priced much lower than market value. But that's me; I hate paying big repair bills..!
Feb 28, 2004 (8:11 pm)
Greasykid, conrats on the 14K miles, 2001 E Class with Starmark plus additional warranty. BUT, not knowing what you paid for the car plus Starmark, I'm wondering if a newer E Class would have been no more money? Sure you got a low mileage 2001 but then put two warrantys into it. What if you had bought a newer, higher mileage car without Starmark but with the other warranty?