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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
#5572 of 6720 Love the Car, But...
Jan 28, 2004 (2:48 pm)
I do love my 2003 E500. I have had no quality problems. I especially like the combination of the air spring suspension, the strong V-8 engine and grip like hell tires. They make the E500 a nimble, fun to drive luxo-car. The interior is awesome and I like the exterior, especially the front end! People come up to me all the time and comment on how much they like the styling. I think nothing commands like a Mercedes!
That said, I do have 2 things that are fairly annoying. I see them as design problems. First, the brake by wire brakes are hard to get used to. After 16,000 miles, I'm still not "used" to them. They are difficult to control. As I start to press down on the peddle, it seams like nothing happens, so I press just a tiny bit harder. That little extra pressure causes the brakes to come on hard and suddenly, I'm stopping faster than I need or want to. I think Car & Driver mentioned this issue, but I don't see any posters who are upset by it. I'm wondering why not? Maybe it's more noticeable in some cars than others? I'd like to see Mercedes fix this problem. I expect that it needs s/w to be re-programmed.
I also don't like the variable speed wiper. It never senses the correct speed to wipe the windows. When it's drizzling, the wiper doesn't come on soon enough. I like the way the wipers are controlled in other cars better. Set the speed and if it's too slow, crank it up a notch. If it's too fast slow it down a notch. I think Mercedes should fix this also.
Your comments, please.
#5573 of 6720 My comment
Jan 28, 2004 (3:45 pm)
I wish I had your problems...
#5574 of 6720 habitat1 - NAV
Jan 28, 2004 (4:05 pm)
I understand that the price for the NAV was lowered in 2004, I'm not sure if it is the exact same system or not. The price in 2003 was $2125, I don't know if anyone actually paid that amount due to the lack of availability until last summer.
I own an Acura MDX with a NAV system as well, I like the Acura system better, it has touch screen and voice activation. It is also easier to use although the MB version has a larger database which helps when you're travelling.
If you are thinking of buying a new E class, I would check with your dealer to get a full understanding of the NAV system before you buy, that being said, I'd get it. Also get the Logic 7 sound system, it's worth the money.
#5575 of 6720 Steve500 and issues
Jan 28, 2004 (6:40 pm)
I share one major hang up with you. I also own an 03' E500. I "down sized" from a 2000 S430 because it was a bit of a boat and it was not age appropriate(I'm 40). Anyhow, I have the same problem with my car. I love it but I can't get over the bounce in the breaks. It's driving me nuts. I don't think I can get used to it. I hope there is a software cure. I have seen this mentioned on many occasions.
Other problem with wipers can be fixed. I'm positive this is a problem with your car. This is my 3rd MB with rain sensors and it is one of my favorite options. my wife's XC90 has bad sensors. I have not had them tweaked yet but I can understand your frustration. Take it in to have it fixed. It's worth the inconvenience.
Jan 28, 2004 (8:52 pm)
I have an '04 E 500, and have had never noticed the difference in braking between this car & my traded in '02 Caddy Deville DHS. As far as my driving, none of my passengers have noticed any change in their comfort. The pedal feel is the same to me.
I find my rain sense wipers to be right on, in most cases, while a simple push of the button might have to be utilized for an interim swipe occasionally.
I do find the parktronic sensitivity to be lacking a tad. They don't look out far enough to the front or rear, so that all of the warning comes when you are almost on top of a bumper.
One other thing I'd like to see changed is when you tap the wipler stalk up or down, the turn signal blinks 3 times. Thats enough warning at higher speeds in Germany where it only takes a second to change lanes, but here in the USA they should blink 5 times because the speeds are sometimes slower due to traffic, and the lane changes takes a second or two longer.
How come there is no way to scan the radio presets from the wheel? It just goes to the next available station. Just my .02.
#5577 of 6720 Question for the Board
Jan 29, 2004 (8:48 am)
Am considering buying my first Mercedes, a 2000 E320 4Matic Wagon. Has 41k miles on it, E1, E2, multi-contoured seats. Asking price $34,900, subject to further negotiations.
My lone concern about getting a Mercedes, particularly a used one is (you know this is coming) - reliability. I've read all the JD Power and Consumer Reports studies, and know that the 2000 models had a fair amount of bugs, but it is my impression that many of them were electrical problems that I would assume could be easily resolved (at the hassle of going to get it serviced). The car I am looking at is Starmark Certified, and was curious if anyone has had experience buying one under this program. I'd like to think that they wouldn't certify one that has had a bunch of problems, and that after 40,000 miles under warranty, all the manufacturing bugs would have been worked out by now.
I realize that MB's need rigorously regular maintenance, and I'm prepared for that, but I am worried about lots of unscheduled problems. Can anyone comment on their experiences buying used, particularly from the Starmark program? I fully understand that each car is different, you can get a Lexus that is a lemon and a VW that never has any problem, etc, etc, but would like to use this thread as a sounding board for my decision. I truly appreciate any replies.
Jan 29, 2004 (1:57 pm)
...which is the previous generation body shape, and has never had a problem at all. I think most of the problems cropped up with the redesign in '03. But a used car is a used car.... do your homework, look into an extended warranty. Labor prices are dear on these things.
I hope I stay happy with mine because while you can get the same luxury in other vehicles, nothing else is a Benz. They have that "something else"... Perhaps it just takes 100 years to develop it...I dunno.
#5579 of 6720 Something else...
Jan 29, 2004 (2:01 pm)
"I hope I stay happy with mine because while you can get the same luxury in other vehicles, nothing else is a Benz. They have that "something else"... Perhaps it just takes 100 years to develop it...I dunno."
Yeah, in the case of my 5-Series it's called a Manual Transmission; couldn't get it on an E-Class here in the States (although when I worked for MB-USA, I got to drive an E430 5-Speed over in Stuttgart). Sorry, couldn't resist.
Jan 29, 2004 (2:37 pm)
Thanks for your comments.
I want to get used to the feel of the brakes, but since I haven't during the last year, I don't think I will. The dealer told me that they are all the same, but based on barry45rpm's experience, it sounds like that's not true. I'm going to test drive another car and see how it's brakes feel. The dealer also told me that someone from MB would contact me to discuss this issue because I wrote it up on the satisfaction questionaire. I haven't heard from MB yet. I'll be more aggressive now that I'm a little smarter.
When I complained about the rain sense wipes, under the warranty, the dealer changed the wiper blades and said the sensor was working correctly. I find that every 5 or 10 or 15 seconds I need to hit the button to clear the windshield. So I'll go back and ask them to replace the sensor.
Jan 29, 2004 (5:37 pm)
Thanks for the reply. I've researched cars to death, and while there are statistically speaking some problems out there with the E320, it does have that "something else" that makes it worth it, IMO. Hopefully owning one won't change that opinion.
It's actually kind of difficult to get a straight answer out of Consumer Reports on the 2000 models for reliability history. Do a used car report for the E-Class on their website, and it will give you two separate reports. One says the 2000 MY is "above average" for reliability. The other says it's "below average." The print version of the 2004 car guide says it's "average."
Who knows? I figure if I get the extended Starmark Warranty (beyond the one year certification), that should cover most of my worries.