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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
#5173 of 6720 sdautoreview - 320CDI ?
Sep 02, 2003 (12:23 am)
I too am waiting for Mercedes to reintroduce their diesel line-up to the US. Is the spring of 2004 date official? Any other sources of information you can provide or refer me to would be appreciated.
Your 300CD with 284,000 miles exemplifies the reason I would consider a Mercedes Wagon to replace our SUV at some point. Unfortunately, I am concerned that, based upon my empiracal and anecdotal research, the current Mercedes E class is not as troubleproof and reliable as some of the older Mercedes models or the BMW 5-series. This fact seems to be documented by Consumer Reports, JD Powers, and even the information coming out of these Edmunds boards.
I almost bought a E300 turbodiesel in 1999 before they were discontinued. Maybe I'm doing some wishful thinking, but I'm hoping that by the time Mercedes reintroduces the new diesels, they will have fixed the bugs and problems that would otherwise make 284,000 miles of ownership less pleasant than yours has been. If that happens, a 320CDI 4-matic Wagon would be high on my wish list.
Please post any sources for CDI information that you might have. Thanks.
Sep 02, 2003 (8:25 am)
in the BMW camp, at least for the 5 series, may be an issue if you have the Steptronic tranny. I've been reading that discussion (5 series) for a month or so and am getting the distinct impression that many owners are seeing failures in the 100K mile range. But the manual Getrag owners just don't ever see a failure. Doesn't appear to be much else going wrong with them, so maybe they really are more reliable than MB these days.
benzowner: for the record, my 1996 E320 engine (straight six) isn't bulletproof. I had to have a head gasket replaced at 118K miles.. And there are many others who have experienced the same, well before 150K miles. Checkbook deflated a LOT !!!
sdautoreview: 285K miles on your 1984 300CD is awesome. That's the kind of life I had hoped to get from my E320, but it already is falling short of that kind of durability with the head gasket issue. I'm told that the gasket may go south again at some point; it is an inherent flaw in the engine/head design on that engine. I certainly don't want to pay for it twice just to say I got to 300K miles on one car..! I'm surprised C280 owners haven't seen the same issue. It's basically the same block and head as the 320. so I'm told..
jfz219: My 1996 was a 2 year old Starmark car when I bought it and I thought I was getting a bargain; a beautiful Benz at a big discount.. And I was seriously thinking about a 2001 or 2002 Starmark for next year. But after hearing of all the things going wrong with those model years, I am having second thoughts about it. Even though the warranty may cover most of that stuff, the warranty only goes to 100K miles; then what? So it becomes a trade-in at 100K ?? Have all the MB's since the mid-90's lost the durability that made them famous?
#5175 of 6720 Check Engine light
Sep 03, 2003 (4:12 am)
My '96 E320 has been perfect up to now. Yesterday while driving all of the sudden the can ran very rough as if it ran with only 5 cylinders and the check engine light came on. I turned off the engine for 5-10 minutes and turned it back on again and it ran smooth again, but the check engine light is still on. I guess it has something to do with spark plugs since it has 56,000 miles (spark plugs replaced at 30,000). Any thought on this ? How can I override the check engine light so that it does not stay on constantly. By the way, I gave the car to an independent MB service guy to look at this morning. Your opinions are greatly appreciated.Thanks
#5176 of 6720 2000 E-430 sport
Sep 03, 2003 (5:04 am)
cduong, the engine light on my E-class came on a few months ago but the engine didn't run rough. It was an oxygen sensor that went bad and was replaced under warranty.
The dealer will reset your "check engine" light when you take it in for service. Were you saying you wanted to turn the light off without finding out the reason it was on?
Happy Motoring! Mark156
#5177 of 6720 Check engine light
Sep 03, 2003 (6:04 am)
Mark156: Thanks for your quick response. Based on what I am reading on internet it may have something to do with oxygen sensor, I don't know how much it will cost me from the independent MB service guy. I wonder if I should get extended warranty for my MB. Question : how much does it cost and do you have to take it to MB dealer everytime or it will cover with independent MB guys as well. Should I buy Lexus in the first place due to its reliability in a long run? Thanks
#5178 of 6720 Check engine
Sep 03, 2003 (6:44 am)
Happened to my E recently at 44 K miles. Replaced the 'air mass sensor' under warrantee.
If you've been driving an MB you won't be happy with the Lexus.
#5179 of 6720 Check engine light
Sep 03, 2003 (7:21 am)
Boo20: Thanks for your response. I will let you all know what went wrong and its cost so that we all can learn from each others
#5180 of 6720 Check engine light
Sep 03, 2003 (8:55 am)
My independent MB service guy just called and informed me that the diagnose machine told him that it's related to spark plugs & ignition wires. Total cost: $310 parts and labor. It seems to be excessive for plugs & ignition wire... But what can you do. Just hope that this will correct problem
Sep 03, 2003 (9:44 am)
Can I be your mechanic?? That would be one way for me to be able to buy another E-class..! Yes, that price is definitely on the high side. The wire set costs about $80 retail (for just three wires!) and the plugs are about $3 each. So he's getting about $200 for labor for about one hours work??? Ooops, I forgot to throw in the diagnostic fee which must have been around $150..!!
I did it myself last year for a total of about $80. I have a friend who got me the wires at the distributor pricing of about $60.. Took me about 1.5 hours because I had to figure out the setup. It is far different from most cars. MB claims you only need to do the plugs every 100K miles. I did mine at 80K and they were in dire need of replacement. A more realistic interval is probably 60K miles for the plugs. I've now got over 40K on the replacement plugs and wires with no problems.
I had a non-mfg service center screw me over many years ago when I had replaced the wires and plugs in an american car and it ran rough as hell. They claimed it was a bad plug and charged me for diagnosis, a plug, and labor. Two days later, while on vacation at the beach, the car wouldn't even start unless cranked for about 2 minutes. Once running, I saw the problem that was accentuated because of the high humidity. The wires were so poorly made that they were shorting out to the block wherever they came near the metal. I replaced the wires with good ones that day and it ran great for years..!
I hope your mechanic is right about the diagnosis; you don't want to be replacing the sensors next week in addition to an un-needed set of wires and plugs..!
Sep 03, 2003 (10:35 am)
microrepair: Thanks for your input. I check with mercedesshop.com where it sells parts for MB and I am told that a set of ignition wires (6) for 96 E320 is $140, spark plugs are $3 each... So total part is $158. So the rest is labor and the charge for diagnosis. I am with you when you said "hope that the mechanic is right...". Since my car was running rough as if it's on 5 cylinders yesterday, it may have something to do with plugs & wires. Lets hope so. Thanks.