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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
#5164 of 6720 Footie, just a thought about the E-Class; microrepair
Sep 01, 2003 (11:01 am)
I noticed that you were very persistent in pointing out room. Both cars are very good, but you just can't compare a Mercedes-Benz E-Class to a G35. You have an overall package with the E-Class. You have status, elegance, reputation, and well known relabilaty. Besides that when you drive, not sit in, but drive a Mercedes-Benz E-Class you get this feeling of wow what a car. $20K more? Well take into account that Mercedes-Benz invested nearly 2 Billion dollars into designing the 2003 E-Class. They spend the money to make sure your getting a good car that will not go obsolete. Take for example the SL-Class they started selling that Body style in 1989 and just stopped in 2002. Now look at that 13 years and they still sold like crazy. Ten years from now the 2003 E-Class won't be a outdated car with no appeal. It will still be a Mercedes-Benz. Try to say that about infinity. Microrepair you with me?
Sep 01, 2003 (12:29 pm)
with you sdautoreview, but the order of priority is somewhat different for me. I sprung for the E-class for ride/handling/performance, luxury, solidity, durability (not reliability of components per se), and then the status thing. I've never owned a car with this many miles on it before (122K) and am amazed every time I get behind the wheel at how much it still feels like new and still looks so good. Course I did spend some money on shocks tires, etc in the last year, but most cars I've owned have felt like trucks by 70K miles even with new shocks and tires and have had worn out upholstery, etc..
The ten year thing probably doesn't mean much to me; I figure mine will have 150K about 1 year from now and I will have had it just 6 years. (I bought it exactly 2 years old with 38K on it.) It will be time for something else and since I'm now retired I'm not sure I'll be able to afford another E-class. So a G35 type of car is very appealing and if it runs well for 6-7 years I'll be happy. BUT, it has to be a good driver, as you suggest.
Now, if I were to hit the lottery, I'd be in an E55 before a week was up and my own Gulfstream with pilot for long distance trips..!!! And an SL55 or 911 Turbo waiting for me at my vacation villa!!
#5166 of 6720 I treid both the E320 and G35
Sep 01, 2003 (12:37 pm)
There's little to compare - The quality of materials and finish of the E are much superior. The drive is more refined. No contest, buy the E if you can afford it.
#5167 of 6720 The Feel of E-Class at $20,000 less...
Sep 01, 2003 (12:39 pm)
For the feel, handling, style, and charm of an E-class at $20,000 less, look for a 2001-2002 Starmark E-Class. I doubt that any other brand will seem as fresh after 3-4 years of driving.
Sep 01, 2003 (12:51 pm)
I am probably going to offend both camps.
First, regarding the Infiniti. A few months ago, I went car shopping with my niece who wanted to take me along for a second opinion of the G35 coupe, 330ci and a few other alternatives. She ended up with the 330ci, without any prodding from me, but simply because it was better executed than the G35 coupe. Better from both a precise handling and performance standpoint; much better from an interior aesthetics standpoint. The G35 sedan, in my opinion, is a step below the G35 coupe in overall design and interior quality. To compare it to the E class, when the G35 coupe loses in most comparisons to the 3 series is more than a stretch, it's absurd. The M45 and Q45 aren't even stealing sales from Mercedes (or anybody else for that matter). Would I take a G35 over a Buick - I mean Toyota - Avalon? Probably. But over an E? In Infiniti's dreams.
That said, I have to take some issue with the claim that with the E-class, "You have status, elegance, reputation, and well known relabilaty (sic)". I am a previous owner of one of the most advanced cars made by Mercedes/AMG for its day, the 300SEL 6.3. Although my sporting tendencies are better satisfied by BMW, I have great respect for the engineering heritage of Mercedes.
Unfortunately, "relability", or reliability, as I prefer to spell it, is not a current stong suit of Mercedes. If it gets any worse, it may become its Achilles heel. I have many friends and associates who have handed down 240D's, 300D's, old SELs and the original E's through their family trees. The old joke was, "what's the difference between another car with 120,000 miles and a Mercedes with 120,000 miles?" The car is likely "broken" the Mercedes is "broken-in".
That history is not repeating itself, at least not without a lot of frustration among newer Mercedes buyers. Whereas BMW seems to have exorcised itself of electronic bugs that afflicted older models, some of those demons have settled within the Mercedes factory. The number of times my neighbor took back his 2000 E55 and now 2003 E500 to the dealership for problems is very discouraging.
I hope Mercedes hears these concerns load and clear. If my circle of friends is any indication, Mercedes can not afford not to rectify the poor reliability that has diminished their reputation over the past several years. One associate even indicated he is consdiering an Audi S8. That would have been inconceivable a few years back.
#5169 of 6720 Not gonna happen
Sep 01, 2003 (2:25 pm)
You just have to love these comments from the peanut gallery predicting the demise of the MB line. This has been predicted for, what now, 15 years? When MB did it the 'old fashioned way' (in the early 90's) they were getting their rear ends kicked by Lexus and were losing 600 million dollars per year. Since they changed their strategy they have consistently been posting record sales and profits. (Epn2 you don't seem to know the difference between a typo and a misspelled word but, whatever).
Sep 01, 2003 (4:44 pm)
Perhaps, perhaps, but count me amongst the peanut gallery. We have a '99 C280 that has been in the shop more often per year of ownership than our (former) Chrysler Town and Country minivan, and that's saying something. This past weekend the driver's side headrest went to the top of limit of travel and is now stuck there 'cause the motor won't work anymore. Last week it was an AC evaporator sensor (350), in June it was the condenser and lines (700) then before that it was brakes and pads (600) before that the rear speakers failed (under warranty) before that an engine pulley separated from its housing (under warranty) before that stereo failed (under warranty) and on and on and on. (I am getting a little tired of it you can tell:). Lately service writer told me I need new front end bushings soon and a re-align, another 700 or so.
So I am not looking for a new Merc, just can't deal with the headaches, and from I've read the new C is not any better.
We are now looking at a BMW 325i as a replacement. Sure, maybe MB is making record profits but are they making decent cars? Not sure anymore...
#5171 of 6720 OK...lets address some things....
Sep 01, 2003 (4:53 pm)
(microrepair)-Our family currently owns 4 Mercedes-Benz vehicle. My primary car is a 1984 300CD. Has 285,890 miles and still runs like new! I agree with what you said about how you "get behind the wheel at how much it still feels like new and still looks so good" I agree! I was simply trying to make a point.
I'm waiting for the new E-Class 320 CDI (diesel) to come out in the spring of 2004.
(epn2)-I made a typo like boo20 mentioned. I guess you did too look below.
"I hope Mercedes hears these concerns ->"load"<- and clear.
(boo20)-Thanks! For backing me up!
Sep 01, 2003 (7:31 pm)
OK my 1996 C-220 has been trouble free for 122,000 miles and all I have done is regular maintenance. Mercedes is having trouble with some electronics (I agree they need to be fixed), but as I have said before in other Boards, Mercedes has some of the best engines and transmissions and build quality I have ever seen and durability. I ought to know we have owned a lot of Mercedes. Mercedes cars will still go Thousands upon thousands of miles Ectů
#5173 of 6720 sdautoreview - 320CDI ?
Sep 02, 2003 (12:23 am)
I too am waiting for Mercedes to reintroduce their diesel line-up to the US. Is the spring of 2004 date official? Any other sources of information you can provide or refer me to would be appreciated.
Your 300CD with 284,000 miles exemplifies the reason I would consider a Mercedes Wagon to replace our SUV at some point. Unfortunately, I am concerned that, based upon my empiracal and anecdotal research, the current Mercedes E class is not as troubleproof and reliable as some of the older Mercedes models or the BMW 5-series. This fact seems to be documented by Consumer Reports, JD Powers, and even the information coming out of these Edmunds boards.
I almost bought a E300 turbodiesel in 1999 before they were discontinued. Maybe I'm doing some wishful thinking, but I'm hoping that by the time Mercedes reintroduces the new diesels, they will have fixed the bugs and problems that would otherwise make 284,000 miles of ownership less pleasant than yours has been. If that happens, a 320CDI 4-matic Wagon would be high on my wish list.
Please post any sources for CDI information that you might have. Thanks.