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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Aug 29, 2003 (5:28 pm)
Jawdoc, with all of the trouble that you have had and you are still considering a new Mercedes? If I had that much trouble I would not shadow their doors again. You had SOME major issues with your '94.
I have had really good luck with my current Mercedes (2000 E430 sport and my 2002 ML500), more so with the E-class. I've had a few small issues with the ML but nothing big. My 1991 560SEL was great until it hit about 55,000 miles. I replaced everything after that. After $8K of repairs over 3 years and 82,000 miles, I knew it was time to cut it from the herd. But, it was a beautiful car!
Aug 29, 2003 (5:37 pm)
Your story of the Benz brass in Germany is probably accurate. I have an office outside of Munich and the people there are very bright and articulate but they have a hard time understanding other cultures. They have a strong nationalistic pride which is a good thing but I know that it gets in the way of open minded decision making. The Germans feel that their way is always the best and everyone else should conform. That is why the electronics and the NAV in our cars are good but not nearly as user friendly as they are on Japanese cars. The Germans feel that complexity is good.
Other than that, I love my E500. I also have a 2001 BMW convertible which drives great and has been very reliable. Both of these cars have required very little service but the dealer has gotten it right the first time.
#5148 of 6720 Breitling Chronographs vs. Tag Heuer
Aug 29, 2003 (8:05 pm)
Reading all the comments about E Series reliability, complexity, service issues, etc. suggests that there is a heavy price to pay for perceived status. It strikes me that the MB E Series buyer (or probably more commonly, lessee) initially pays about 10K to 20K more to get less performance, reliablility, interior room, etc. than better alternatives that are readily available.
That's a lot of money to pay for a hood ornament that increasingly marks the driver as not particularly savvy, hip, intelligent, etc.--the exact reverse of the way most MB owners want to present themselves--but marks him/her as needing that validation. MBUSA will have a big problem on their hands if this trend continues and the owners migrate.
#5149 of 6720 blockhead
Aug 29, 2003 (10:09 pm)
About the only concession MB owners make to the competition is reliability and even here the differences are not huge. Since the service intervals on MBs are longer the Lexus crowd will be in the shop for routine maintence at least twice as often. From the standpoint of aethetics, safety and resale value MB is at or near the top consistantly. That's why they rate so highly in Intellichoice's rankings year after year. Having said that I am grateful that Lexus provides such refined and reliable cars at a reasonable price. This competition forces MB to moderate their already high prices and yet, in spite of that, they sell about the same number of vehicles as Lexus. Someone is obviously seeing value there.
Anyway good luck whatever you drive. Personally I don't really care what you drive but am touched that you feel so passionately about what I SHOULD be driving. I'm buying my 4th MB in the past 10 years this fall. See ya.
Aug 30, 2003 (9:42 am)
Which cars are available that are more reliable, have better performance, have more interior room, AND are $20K less than the E-class? I'm serious, as I would buy it as my next car. Please don't tell me BMW because, 3 or 4 years ago they had less, much less, interior room, model for model than Mercedes. The new BMW's might have grown the passenger space, but they still lack the trunk space which is also important to me since I tend to take 1-2 week trips around the country once or twice per year.
Aug 30, 2003 (2:08 pm)
Although you're entitled to your opinion, the E-class DOES give me my perceived status for all the categories you mention. If I simply wanted to pay less money I'd buy an Accord.
P.S. My previous cars have included threee previous Benz's and one Volvo.
#5152 of 6720 Microrepair - your next car might be a G35
Aug 30, 2003 (3:07 pm)
You posed an interesting question. The first car that came to my mind was the G35, which I thought was going to be smaller than the E all around but bettered it inside on a number of key measures.
Per Edmunds compare vehicles function, Infiniti G35 sedan has better interior headroom front and rear than the E, though the E hip room is better. The E is a bigger car outside, though standard wheels on the G35 are 17". The G35 performance is better than the E320, as is the reliability and initial quality. The E has about 1 cu foot more trunk space per the MB and Infiniti web site.
All in all, the G35 is pretty close to meeting your requirements.
The price difference is easily in the 20K range.
Here are the keys.
Aug 30, 2003 (5:08 pm)
I doubt anyone consdiering an E class would be swayed to a G35. I do think it is a reasonably nice car for $30k, but the overall interior quality is barely better than my 1995 Nissan Maxima. It's clearly nowhere near the league of an E class, 5 series or A6.
I recognize aesthetics are subjective, but the G35 sedan and M45 score pretty low on my scale. Apparantly, the M45 scores pretty low on everyones scale. Infiniti is practically giving them away.
#5154 of 6720 Not sure about "E interior Quality"
Aug 31, 2003 (4:38 am)
I guess everyone has a different experience and tastes in this area.
When I most recently sat in a new E, the plastic storage drawer under the passenger seat was either broken or off track - so that didn't ring my 'build quality' chime.
Also, it seemed to have a 'chrome' door sill guard that looked just like something out of JCWhitney, but it seems that Mercedes has turned on the glitz these days to look luxurious.
The Infiniti too has a metallic look and feel which I suppose is to be associated with the sport image. I kinda like the gated shifter look in the Infinit over the MB's wooden Monk in leather look. It seems like to me that MB replaced expensive gates with a piece of cowhide.
Regarding the 5 and A6, I was a passenger in both in the last two weeks. Neither impressed me with luxuriously appointed interiors. The BMW in particular has a lot of low luster dashboard plastic that collects dust.
All personal opinion and not really relevant to Microrepair's key points about reliability, performance and roominess.
#5155 of 6720 It's about Refinement
Aug 31, 2003 (5:57 am)
The reason Mercedes rank at the top of my list is that they offer refinement while simultaneously providing excellent driving qualities. The Germans are the only ones who have figured out how to do this and Mercedes does it the best.