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#4710 of 6720 Beepa - Sorry
Feb 10, 2003 (3:02 pm)
Take a look at msg #4516 in this forum. Useful info on the number and kind of changes from 99 to 2000 - 2001.
I just use prices in Boston Globe, ebay, etc. for car's actual value. What you pay for is your choice.
Remember invoice - holdback (2-3%) on a new MB is what your new MB is worth the instant you take title, because the dealer isn't going to buy it back for more than he can buy it from MB for right away.
Dealer trade prices and auction prices tend to reflect this offset from new pricing throughout the first 5 - 6 years of a car's life.
So if a dealer can go pick up a 1999 320 coming off of a 4 year lease for $19 - 20K or less, that's what the car is worth. What you pay that's higher than that is your personal decision.
Recent trades on ebay for example:
Item # 2402654886 a 1998 E-320. at $18,700 the reserve is met and the car will sell today.
Speaking of high mileage, there's a 1999 320 with 104K on it (just getting broken in as they'd say) on ebay now. The current price is $14,200 at no reserve.
There's a 1999 AWD 320 with 65K with a buy it now price of $23,900 with Bose CD rear shade. see
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item- - - =2402423413 ...
BTW..I love Toyota's despite what findav says. Toyota has the best manufacturing process on the planet. But there's a major issue with Corollas and Matrix's regarding sulfur smells in the cars and I have been active in posting there. to encourage people to chase Toyota for resolution. If Mercedes stank like swamp gas you might feel similarly motivated.
Never any offense intended here or there. Just the facts.
#4711 of 6720 crack in dashboard
Feb 10, 2003 (6:20 pm)
thanks for your reply mtrauman....I thought maybe it had been a problem for the technician to have found it.....I'm glad to know they were looking for it...I never would have seen it.....after the dash was replaced however the ashtray door and the other storage door won't close.....but that will be taken care when I get the catalytic converter repaired again.....
#4712 of 6720 "I Love Toyota's??????"
Feb 11, 2003 (5:50 am)
#302 of 330 Toyota quality going down fast by footie Jan 20, 2003 (12:10 pm)
I think that there's a lot of evidence that Toyota 'quality' is going down very fast across their product line.
Wait until they start building the new Lexus RX330 in Canada and it gets hammered by problems.
The best Toyota's to buy aren't new ones.
#4713 of 6720 nav instal may be canceled
Feb 11, 2003 (9:15 am)
I was just about to pick up a 2003 e500 and the dealer just warned me that they just received a communications from the factory that the retrofitting that they were going to do on the nave in april is been put on hold indefinitely. Has anyone heard anything about this or is the dealer trying to sell me out of the nav. I was supposed to pay 1600 up front and have it installed later. Love to hear from anyone with facts.
#4714 of 6720 Thanks finadv -- keep the QA discussion going
Feb 11, 2003 (9:22 am)
I do love'em but still think that they are letting their quality slide across the board. I still root for them to, but I also encourage all owners to stay in their faces about QA issues.
I talk with one of my sales manager friends at New England's largest Toyota franchise as another benchmark. His take is that the problem level has risen significantly since 1999. Seeing the Camry and Corolla lose or drop places in the JDPower surveys is also a confirmation.
They can get away with lower quality now than it took to penetrate the market here. Toyota fans like me need to stay on them to keep the benchmark high.
They have a significant supplier education problem here in the U.S. that takes a long time to get up to speed. That's why they have special center in Kentucky to teach them the 'way'. The transition to increasingly high % of domestic content takes its toll.
The Corollas and Matrix coming out of Canada are good but have had nagging 'little problems' that Toyota owners aren't used to. The new Lexus RX330 will be a significant challenge.
Feb 11, 2003 (11:13 am)
Um, the Toyota conversations are thataway --->
#4716 of 6720 No offense taken - footie
Feb 11, 2003 (2:02 pm)
Believe me, it takes a LOT more than that to offend me. I did check out e-bay (why anyone would make a purchase like that on the Internet is beyond me --- & I own a computer store!) but the ones I saw were of "high mileage" 75k +, mine has 26k. Be that as it may, I love my new Benz --- so far and am satisfied with the price & dealer. On another note, I happen to have NAV in mine (love it!) and it takes the spot in the center console where the ashtray normally is. I don't smoke but I do use the lighter for my radar detector and cell phone charger (I'm not using the one that came with the car). Does anyone know if there is a retro fit for a power source adapter????
#4717 of 6720 Ebay Purchase
Feb 11, 2003 (5:39 pm)
WSJ article on a Dentist who purchased a car for over 75K and lost everything.
The scam put the money in a trust account while the transaction closes.
The trust account was owned by the thief.
Lesson no money till you pick up the merchandise.
Ebay also offers a holding account until the deal closes.
I guess my point to Footie if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. You get what you pay for.
#4718 of 6720 joeadp
Feb 11, 2003 (8:57 pm)
could you post the wsj article, or the link to it on this site . . .I tried to look at it but couldn't find it.
Feb 12, 2003 (2:47 am)
That was a dentist who was purchasing a 55K M5, which retails for 75k+. He sent money to 10 different accounts upon request, and did not pay attention to a number of signs that may have indicated problem. For one thing, it would have cost him 55k just to Federalize German spec car to OBDII. Grey import for a 96+ model year is just not worth the effort, and you will spend more money.