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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Nov 27, 2000 (6:56 pm)
Really depends on what your looking for.
Having owned an Acura RL (1997)I agree that it will come with all the major options that a person needs. It's a quiet car but don't try any heavy cornering-handles a bit on the mushy side.
As far as reliability goes, the only things that I had go wrong were....Moonroof stopped operating (glad it happened in the closed position) Power window stopped operating, and heater blower stopped working. All were fixed promptly by the dealership.
All in all, I thought is was a nice car but wouldn't put it in the same class as Mercedes, or even the Lexus. That's why they don't command the same price as the above mentioned.
Nov 27, 2000 (8:57 pm)
Post 322, Bargamon2
My car is an 2001 E430. I've had it exactly 1 month this weekend. Good shopping.
#312 of 6720 bargamon2, ctic, parfive1
Nov 28, 2000 (5:01 pm)
I know I'll never be able to respond to all the feedback that my post #321 may evoke, therefore I'll try to share my opinion regarding only points that appear to be valid on their face.
bargamon2: you mentioned that I attained my goal of "apparent" value. Let me walk through some numbers and see if I achieved more than apparent value.
A. Sticker of comparably equipped M-B E 320 AWD = $56,000. The ALG residual value after 36 months is 57%, or $31,920. If I paid $53,000, I'm out-of-pocket $21,080 after 3 years.
B. Acura RL w/ navi sticker = $44,700. The ALG residual value after 36 months is 48%, or $21,360. I paid $36,000 (very common w/ solid negotiation) for the RL, so I'm out-of-pocket only $14,640 after 3 years.
I appreciated your reasonable response to my post--most people respond with a form of "road rage" if your opinion differs from their's.
ctic & parfive1: next time I'll attempt to discuss my definition of "perceived" value.
parfive1: Try the '00 RL, I think you may find the handling to be significantly improved from '97.
P.S. There is an S-Class in my future--hopefully they will do an AWD(??)
Nov 28, 2000 (5:34 pm)
The S500 4-matic will be available for the late fall of 2002, as will the C240 4-matic (this particular model will be available in Europe/Asia/Canada, but not sure about the US), C320 4-matic, and C320 4-matic wagon.
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Nov 28, 2000 (5:44 pm)
Good math, and even better negotiating.
I had no complaints about owning my 97 RL. It was probably one of the few (of many) cars that I didn't get bored with after 2 years.
As for the handling of the 00 model as compared to the 97, I couldn't honestly say. I just wasn't interested in driving one.
My choices when purchasing a new car were either the Lexus GS or the MB E class.
I thought the GS handled great and the interior was beautiful, however, I thought that the exterior styling was just plain ugly.(My opinion)
The E class interior is very nice, and the exterior is absolutely beautiful.
Here again, everybody has there own opinion. That's why there's so many different cars out there.
Regarding perceived value.
Perception IS reality. I see it all the time.
I was happy when I brought my new RL home.
I was ecstatic when I brought home my new E320.
If it cost me a few dollars more for my MB, so be it. It made me happy.
Good luck with your new RL, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
#315 of 6720 krv03-Winter driving in your RL
Nov 28, 2000 (6:07 pm)
It would probably be a good idea to put winter tires on your new car.
The first season, the car handled OK, but the next season (after the tires wore down) it didn't handle good at all.
I went out and bought four Blizzack tires and mounted them every winter. Handled very good then.
#316 of 6720 4matic and Drew
Nov 28, 2000 (9:52 pm)
I found a 2000 430 4matic with 7000 miles, phone, cd,e2, etc. Silver w/ash. I know you have 4matic, and dig it. THere is so much written about ML, but not much on the recent E-class. Do you have in your reach a path to an artcile or review of the 4matic?
Price is excellent, I was not looking for a 4matic, but with the 430 is very attractive. I would welcome any comments on the system. Besides the apparent saftey addition of full time four wheel traction, is there a performence addition when cornering? I know 0-60 is slightly compramised by about 4/10 of a second, but what about mpg?? Thanks in advance.
KRVo3: Don't sweat it.
#317 of 6720 eadlu- power seat control
Nov 28, 2000 (10:12 pm)
Thanks for the information and inspiration for the power seat controls. My seat had been moved up and I was not able to move the seat cushion back. All other directions of adjustment worked. Before taking the car in for service, I tried to move the seat all the way forward (it cannot be done while in the seat if you are over 4'6"). This maneuver must reprogram the control. The seat now moves correctly in all directions.
I have to admit that the seat has never retracted this far since I took possession 11 months ago. The seat travel is at least 3 inches more after this fix.
I thank you and my knees thank you!
Nov 28, 2000 (11:54 pm)
Like expensive watches (Rolex,Breitling, Cartier, etc.) luxury cars are all about personal satisfaction. Like it or not, there are many fine cars out there for a lot less than Lexus or M-B. VW Passat, Toyota Avalon, etc are some examples to name a few.
My last two cars (1997 and 1999) were Acura 3.2TL's. They were reliable, efficient and affordable cars. However, my '00 E430 Sport invokes satisfaction that my Acura's never did. I am looking forward to test driving the
new Acura Legend; but, I doubt Acura will get the MB E430 "feel" in their flagship car.
My brother owns a '00 RL and I like the car. Yet, for me the E430 is the real "value" car because I enjoy driving it.