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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Jan 30, 2002 (8:58 am)
Seems to me you have your priorities wrong. You say you're bored with the interior styling of you E-Class. Suggest you pay more attention to what's OUTSIDE the car. And you claim the car is lacking in gadgetry -- did you buy the car to be entertained by gimmicks (that quickly lose their uniqueness)? Or do you value superb handing, road feel/feedback and safety in your automobile? BTW, what's so difficult about turning your headlights on and off or pressing a memory button on the inside car door after you've opened it? If you need and value gadgetry, why not try computer games?
Seriously, the strength of MB automobiles is in their handling, drivability, "road feel," solid construction and innovations involving safety. Many Japanese and American cars are full of gimmicks that add little or nothing to basic driving performance. After a month or two of Mercedes ownership, most people forget about the lack of the "conveniences" you mention. I did, after trading a 1998 Cadillac STS (that was loaded with gadgetry) for my 2000 E320. And one of the most pleasant surprises of that "upgrade" was the 21+ gallon fuel tank on my MB that allowed me to travel more than 200 miles or so and NOT begin searching for another gas station.
More serious, however, is your experience with minor flaws in your Mercedes. Most MB owners aren't that troubled with malfunctions that require frequent visits to the dealer. I would guess that your unfortunate experience isn't typical.
You may be misinformed about the E-Class being an "entry-luxo sedan." I think you'll find that the industry considers entry-luxo sedans to be the MB C-Class, BMW 3-Series, Lexus ES-300, Infinity I-35 and similar cars priced significantly lower than the E-Class.
In any case, not everyone will be happy owning and driving a Mercedes. If you find the BMW 745iL or Porsche Carrera 4 Convertible more suited to your tastes, so be it. Good luck. And let us know what you like and dislike in the new car (neither of which can be compared objectively to a Mercedes-Benz E-Class).
#2978 of 6720 VICFA...unhappy with MB
Jan 30, 2002 (4:15 pm)
Test drive the Lexus LS430. Everything you are looking for and much much more.INHO.
#2979 of 6720 Happy or unhappy with MB -- vicfa and mbdriver
Jan 30, 2002 (5:04 pm)
mbdriver, agree with your post on all but one -- reliability. Minor flaws with cars at this price are unacceptable. MB should further improve the build quality until it reaches #1.
vicfa, the good news is the competition has created many good choices(BMW, Lexus...). But I still like MB's solid drive experience.
#2980 of 6720 MB430 VS Lexus430
Jan 30, 2002 (5:56 pm)
I would like some experienced opinions, if possible, about the relative drivability of the MB E430 AWD compared to the lexus LS430 in snowy and icy conditions..we live in the east [PA] and I don't want to have to adjust my driving habits based on a weather report..I am leaning towards the Lexus but the rear wheel drive is a concern..
#2981 of 6720 Just Hoping that MBs Keep The Tradition...
Jan 30, 2002 (7:31 pm)
I just hope that MB keeps the tradition of quality cars. As a soon to be owner of a 2001 or 2002 E-320, it would be nice to know that they have not 'sold out' quality for quantity.
But I do wonder why they can't include a basic CD player.
#2982 of 6720 E430 AWD vs LS430
Jan 30, 2002 (8:43 pm)
Check out this link:http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/1999/May/199905_feature_whatp.xml?keywords=winter
I don't know about the LS430 but my E430AWD with LM22 Blizzaks is great in the snow.
#2983 of 6720 e430 4matic
Jan 31, 2002 (6:32 am)
i had an e320 4matic and presently have an e430 4matic. the stock tires on the e320 were conti touring, i had no problem with any snow/ice conditions. the stock tires on the e430 are pirelli sp7000, being wider and lower did not give the same snow/ice performance. i bought dedicated blizzaks and wheels. this improved snow/ice performance dramatically. imho, 4 matic with any tire setup is superior to rear wheel drive. roger
#2984 of 6720 child safety seat info
Jan 31, 2002 (9:03 am)
Bigrobnh - I understand your frustration! The reality is that the carseat manufacturers tell you to "talk to your car dealer", but the dealers know NOTHING. Everyone just passes the buck (and I'm going to do a bit of the same ...
While we have a 2001 E430 now, when I was using a rearfacing carseat it was in my 96 volvo 850 and then in my 2000 Chrysler T&C. The first time, my Volvo dealer didn't even know what a tether strap was, let alone how to help with a rear facing one. And this is supposed to be the quintessential family safety-first car!
Since I don't have personal experience with the MB E, I would suggest the following:
#1 - If there is a good baby/children's store near you (NOT a big chain like Babysrus...) they may be able to help you. I'm in San Francsico, and there are a couple stores here who will help you install the seat properly. This is also a reason why I have never bought my seats online - I prefer to go to a knowledgable store and try them out in my car before I buy.
#2 - Your local police my be able to help. Some police depts. have staff who specialize in helping install seats.
#3 - Go to carseat.org! This is a great site by SafetyBeltSafe. The local chapter was the one who helped my with my install issues. They were very knowlegable about how different seats go in different cars. In my opinion they are THE standard for current info. on car seats.
BTW, carseat.org seems to indicate that side-airbags are not a big problem because they are much less powerful than the front bags. And if you do end up putting the seat on the side, one benefit is that it is MUCH easier on your back to get the baby in and out! And remember that a well-fitting seat on the side is still safer than an ill-fitting seat in the middle.
Hope this is helpful. Sorry to be so verbose - in case you can't tell I'm a bit of a nut for a properly installed car seat! Good luck.
#2985 of 6720 jenb3 - child safety seat info
Jan 31, 2002 (11:53 am)
This is great info, thanks for all the good advice. I currently have it in the rear passenger seat and am procrastinating on the 1+ hour round trip to the MB dealer to speak to the forman (whom I predict will have no solution). Our little guy is due in 7 days so I'm running out of time.
I used Consumer Reports as my resource and purchased the top rated one. The rear facing seats with the separate, permenantly installed base seemed to be ubiquitous. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I went to the garage and it wouldn't go into the center spot (you WOULDN'T have wanted to hear the language either!)
Now I'm off to carseat.org.
#2986 of 6720 Goodyears F1 in Snow?
Jan 31, 2002 (12:51 pm)
Has anyone had any experience with an E430 Sport running on 17" Goodyear F1 tires in snow? I'm assuming they are going to be horrible, but I hope someone tells me they're not that bad.