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#5654 of 5820 2001 Blue Toyota Echo USA - 190k Miles - Not ONE Repair.
Apr 12, 2010 (10:38 pm)
I am so close to hitting 200k on my four door 2001 Toyota Echo without ever having to perform a single repair on the car! The only thing I've done is change the spark plugs and perform my regular oil changes. I've been using Mobile 1 since 110k miles.
The car does rattle at high speeds and the paint is coming off. She's seen some better days for sure. But she still runs PERFECTLY. The transmission doesn't slip and I still get amazing gas mileage. The Toyota Echo has proven to be the best car I've ever owned, by a landslide. I've owned 6 cars prior.
This week I went and test drove the 07 Honda Fit Sport, the 09 Honda Fit Sport, the 08 Scion XD, the 07 Toyota Yaris, and the 07 Mazda3. They all made me realize just how much I like my ugly, little Echo. Even the Yaris, which is supposed to be a modern Echo, doesn't come close. It's too heavy and therefore acceleration is sluggish. My Echo gets better gas mileage while being FASTER than all the cars listed with the exception of the Mazda3 (which gets abysmal gas mileage and is so-so on reliability).
But... as much as I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Echo, I need a car with cruise control now, and I feel like the time to sell her is approaching. I am going to be so sad to let her go. When I lost my job due to the recession, she saved my butt. I even slept in her a few times. I drove her across the country 4 times and when gas prices peaked she didn't dent my wallet. If I'd have had to deal with repairing a transmission or an engine two years ago I would have ended up homeless and riding the bus. I remember when I moved from LA to Oklahoma and loaded her up to twice her weight capacity via a temporary roof rack. Her wheel wells almost completely covered the back tires and I was sure I was ruining her transmission climbing those Arizona hills. But she plowed right through without whining at all. My Echo has stood by me, and despite how hard I've been on her, she hasn't asked anything of me but a little gas and some fresh oil every now and then. The Echo has been a wonderful investment.
I suppose, if I had to choose right this minute, I'd get a Scion XD as a replacement. The Fit, while closest in handling and overall "driving feel" to the Echo, is just too dang slow! The Echo has just the right amount of acceleration. It's not fast, but it's fast enough. The Fit feels quick at low speeds, but as soon as you hit that on ramp, you realize you're flooring the accelerator and just barely catching up with the cars on the freeway. The XD feels like a hunkering monster compared to the Echo, but the 1.8 engine counters it's bulbous weight. The XD seems like it accelerates about the same as my Echo, if not a tad quicker.
Honda Fit - Handles Like an Echo
Scion XD - Accelerates Like an Echo
Yaris - Feels Like an Echo (on the inside)
I sure wish all those cars would merge together into one... oh, wait a second... they did, 10 years ago.
#5655 of 5820 Re: Toggle Switch? [thegreyone]
Apr 13, 2010 (4:46 pm)
can you help and tell me where is the O2 sensor on a 2000 echo
Apr 13, 2010 (4:50 pm)
can anyone tell me where the O2 sensor on a 2000 echo is at
#5657 of 5820 Oxygen Sensor (was Re: Toggle Switch? [wayo13]
Apr 13, 2010 (10:10 pm)
Sorry Wayo13... our Echo runs beautifully, so we haven't ever had to worry about 02 sensors! Why...what's your problem?
#5658 of 5820 Re: 2001 Blue Toyota Echo USA - 190k Miles - Not ONE Repair. [robotfist]
Apr 16, 2010 (11:48 am)
I "Echo" all your thoughts!!!!
My '02 is only at 135K, but I also have not had a single repair. Original clutch too, with no sign of impending failure.
It's also a very cheap car to maintain, with 60K-mile plugs and a timing chain.
I have also contemplated the marketplace for possible replacements and come up empty-handed. I am hoping the upcoming CRZ will fit the bill, but it will sure cost a lot more than the Echo did to achieve the same fuel economy and acceleration (with much better handling thrown in to account for that price premium!).
Other options include the Fit you mentioned, which is slower AND thirstier (what a combo! ) and the Mini Cooper, which will have it all - 40 mpg (for me with my driving pattern, matching how th Echo does for me), speed, and handling - but will also cost more than $20K.
Who knows. The only one of those three that will have the open interior design of the Echo - which I love, it makes it feel like a much bigger car inside than it actually is - is the Fit.
There are some new cars coming on the market, Mazda2 and Fiesta initially, which may do a better job of filling the Echo's shoes, but they are tough shoes to fill and for now my Echo isn't going anywhere....
Edit....by the way, my Echo has the Rostra cruise control which has worked flawlessly all these years. Like you, I wouldn't be without cruise in my car. Perhaps instead of replacing the Echo you shoudl consider installing cruise? The Echo really is one of a kind.
Apr 19, 2010 (4:56 pm)
the O2 senors are right upstream and downstream of the cat. converter. Yes there are two. I just had the cat con replaced, first real repair after 234,000 miles, other than regular maintenance. Battery finally died today after 9 years of service.
Question. I have a rattle between battery and fender only rattles at idle. Any ideas?
#5660 of 5820 there goes 135K miles
Apr 29, 2010 (7:52 pm)
and I decided to keep the little Echo at least one more year, so I spent $400 on it - new platinum plugs (the last ones went 70K!), coolant, manual transmission oil, brake fliud, dual air filters (inside and underhood), front-end inspection, and a bunch of other stuff I forget.
Still haven't ever replaced the brake pads, although this time they said the fronts were down to 3 mm, so if I keep it longer than next spring I will probably end up replacing those too....
Had a free loaner while they were doing the service - a 2010 Yaris automatic. Not a bad piece of work for $15K.....don't like the brakes though, the brakes on my Echo are much more confidence-inspiring. I notice that even with the weight gain and height reduction, the Yaris still gets blown around in the wind on the freeway just like the Echo. The thing I most dislike is that where the Echo's central instrument pod is canted toward the driver, the one in the Yaris just faces straight back, so all the instruments are angled away from the driver. Not a good design, the Echo was better. And I much prefer the analog fuel gauge in the Echo to the LCD thing in the Yaris. But the Yaris has the edge in looks, as do most cars when compared to the Echo!
May 03, 2010 (3:45 pm)
Yes the whole gas gauge/ODO thing on the Yaris is a disaster. Its so far away from the driver and the characters are so small its very difficult to read. The speedo is goofy too. The mph lines are too close together. The ECHOs is perfect.
#5662 of 5820 red light on the dash board???
May 22, 2010 (6:56 am)
while driving with AC on, the red light turned on,then I turned off the AC and after few seconds the red light went off, after few minutes of driving even with AC off the red light popped out again for couple of seconds...???
PLEASE ADVISE WHAT TO DO? APPRECIATE ANY INPUT. THANKS.
#5663 of 5820 Re: red light on the dash board??? [bulbucv1381]
May 23, 2010 (1:22 pm)
Which red light? The one shaped like the oil can or the one shaped like the thermostat? Check your oil level and coolant level for starters. If they are both fine and it's the temperature one, maybe your fan isn't working (it's a simple electrical switch that could go bad). Running the AC makes the engine work harder which will cause it to overheat faster.
If it is a potential overheat and you absolutely must keep driving to get home or to a garage, open the vents and turn the heat up - this will move hot air out of your engine and into the passenger compartment. Roll your windows down to keep from cooking yourself and get your car shut down as soon as possible.
If it's the oil light, add oil.