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#5544 of 5645 Re: Is There A New Yaris In Your Future? [kneisl1] by nippononly Apr 19, 2009 (4:34 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 17, 2009 9:05 am) 5 doors or 3? And which is peppier around town, the Yaris or the Echo? Or are they both about the same?   And hey, I thought all the '09 Yarises had ABS and TPMS. That's what the sticker on the window says (not the Monroney sticker, but the one Toyota slaps on advertising all the features of the Yaris).   Do you still have an Echo left at home, or is it just your son that has one now?
#5545 of 5645 tpms by kneisl1 Apr 20, 2009 (6:22 am)
Its a 3 door. Still have the origional 2001 silver five speed which my wife drives to work now. It will be nine years old this November. Tried to sell it but got no takers. So we keep it as a "Spare". Also my son is driving the 2000 auto ECHO to school and work. I drive like the proverbial slug so the five speed (VVT with intelligence) has been trained to be sluglike also. The Yaris hasnt learned my behavoir yet so its still quite peppy. Yes its very peppy I was suprised given its higher weight. Parked next to the old ECHO it is also quite a bit shorter! It has the "drive be wire" without a cable between the throttle and engine. Its quite tricky to moderate the throttle when accelerating from stopped. You push quite hard but it doesnt go! Im getting the hang of it but much prefer the cable thankyou very much! Otherwise the car drives like a dream. It seems to be a much bigger car!    Yes the Yaris came with ABS and tire monitoring. I wonder how the TM works? Is there wires and hoses going to the wheel? Replies to this message: nippononly (Apr 21, 2009 7:02 am) mcdawgg (Apr 21, 2009 8:13 am)
#5546 of 5645 Re: tpms [kneisl1] by nippononly Apr 21, 2009 (7:02 am)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 20, 2009 6:22 am) From what I understand, TPMS involves micro transmitters in the wheels which send the tire pressures to the computer. And I agree with your assessment of Toyota's throttle by wire, it may end up being a factor in my having bought my last Toyota. The e-throttle in my Matrix is just a pain in the neck, and I don't understand how Toyota could get something so simple wrong when every other manufacturer seems not to have a problem with it.   And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing. Replies to this message: mcdawgg (Apr 21, 2009 8:13 am)
#5547 of 5645 Re: tpms [nippononly] by mcdawgg Apr 21, 2009 (8:13 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Apr 21, 2009 7:02 am) The e-throttle in my Matrix is just a pain in the neck, and I don't understand how Toyota could get something so simple wrong when every other manufacturer seems not to have a problem with it.    And it's even more important when you drive a stick and have to try to manage launches from stoplights with the silly thing.   I remember reading complaints about the drive-by-wire that Toyota uses, but also other manufacturers?   I have a '07 manual Camry with the drive-by-wire accelerator Yes, it's different, and takes some getting used to, but I have no complaints anymore. At first, yes, it was a pain.
#5548 of 5645 micro transmitters? by kneisl1 Apr 21, 2009 (9:43 am)
You mean if you replace a wheel you lose the TPMS? I keep a mounted spare in the basement for eveery car i own because of getting nails in the tires so often. Im thinking these 15 inch wheels are the same as on the wifes Base Camry? Replies to this message: mcdawgg (Apr 21, 2009 12:04 pm)
#5549 of 5645 Re: micro transmitters? [kneisl1] by mcdawgg Apr 21, 2009 (12:04 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 21, 2009 9:43 am) Yes, you have to have the special valve stem mounted on the wheel, or it will give you a fault light.
#5550 of 5645 stem by kneisl1 Apr 21, 2009 (12:15 pm)
Hmmm how much are the stems? I mean, theyve got to be replaced when you have the tires changed, right?   NEWS FLASH! According to the parts department at Toyota the stems are $102 each! They are metal so they should last longer. But when they go its gonna cost you if you want TPMS. I wonder can you use Ford etc ones which might be less? Hmmm tire pressure gauge: FIVE DOLLARS! Replies to this message: mcdawgg (Apr 21, 2009 4:11 pm)
#5551 of 5645 Re: stem [kneisl1] by mcdawgg Apr 21, 2009 (4:11 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 21, 2009 12:15 pm) When you get new tires, they just use the same part - they don't have to change it to a new one.   I agree, it is not worth it, but it is a law the government passed years ago that is requiring car makers to put a tire pressure monitoring system on all the new cars as of a certain date. I've always checked my tires every week or two, and still do. The worst case is you take a piece of black electrical tape to shut the light off if it every goes bad and you don't want to spend the $.   I am not aware of any aftermarket ones yet - if I ever have to, I'll probably use my aftermarket tape instead! I keep my cars at least 10 years (only got 2 years on the one with the tire pressure monitoring system). So far, so good. I know the system could be a big help if you get a nail in your tire or something that causes a slow leak on a long trip, so it isn't all bad, I guess.
#5552 of 5645 TPMS by kneisl1 Apr 22, 2009 (12:12 pm)
Ha guess what I read in the OM abouit the TPMS? It doesnt detect sudden loses in tire pressure! You gotta give it 40 minutes to work! Sorry about that!    Now for some more good news! If you manage to lose all three of your keys and you have the engine disable system, they REPLACE THE ENGINE DISABLEMENT SYSTEM! You cant get new keys! Replies to this message: nippononly (Apr 22, 2009 12:31 pm)
#5553 of 5645 Re: TPMS [kneisl1] by nippononly Apr 22, 2009 (12:31 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Apr 22, 2009 12:12 pm) That doesn't sound right, I know folks with Toyotas with the engine disable system that have just purchased new keys. Of course, that is really expensive, like $100 a key.   TPMS was mandated so that folks with chronically low tires would be notified, so I guess that's how they designed the system to work - if from one day to the next your tire is low, you will be notified. TPMS was mandated as a result of the Firestone fiasco, when part of the blame for tire failures went to the very low pressure specified by the factory and that some of the incidents had involved tires that were even lower than spec.   I see that Yaris now has 60-month 0% financing AND a $1000 cash rebate in my area - the urge to trade the Echo gets ever stronger...     The one factor holding me back is I want a 3-door with a tach, and only S's have a tach, and it appears they are not building S's right now, or at least none are coming to my neck of the woods.

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