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#5448 of 5644 Re: error [kneisl1] by marcu Oct 08, 2008 (2:04 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Oct 06, 2008 5:00 am) Hi, I've bought a digital OBD2 code tester ((innova 3100) at Canadian tire for 200$. Today, i've run the machine doing the tests. NO CODES were either stored or retrieve. So what's up now? Thank you for assistance!   P.S. Knowing this, would it make any sense to keep the machine in the car so that the next time the problem occurs i could run the tests ON THE SPOT again OR it would be useless because no codes were obtained after testing it in the first place (not a code problem) I've saw that there were more sophitiscated devices (more expensive too!) that would also verified OEM enhanced & transmission codes, enhanced SAE diagnostics (J1979 &2190), view and record enhanced OBD2 live data , and Mode 6 -02 sensor testing / mode 9 VIN identification. All those last features are not part of the device i've bought. Is is worthwhile?
#5449 of 5644 gauge by kneisl1 Oct 08, 2008 (3:27 pm)
No you really want just a plain jane gauge. If after using it you can see your way to move up to more expensive tools you might consider it. But I dont think thats likely.   Hmm no codes. Can you go through the symptoms again and maybe elaborate a little?    If the gauge says no codes there are no codes its that simple. If a code is set it stays in the computer until erased. So theres no sense keeping it hooked up. Replies to this message: marcu (Oct 08, 2008 6:10 pm)
#5450 of 5644 Re: gauge [kneisl1] by marcu Oct 08, 2008 (6:10 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Oct 08, 2008 3:27 pm) The problem occurs ALWAYS under the circumstances described below: 1- the clutch pedal in fully depressed 2- the shifting gear is most of the time in 3rd or neutral 3- the speedometer is slowing down around and/or between 20mph-30mph 4- the breaks are ON 5- the engine stalls before i reach the STOP sign with loss of stirring power   I am not able to confirm the exactitude of the next one: 6- the car at the moment of stalling was engaging in a right curve (often but not always).
#5451 of 5644 curve by kneisl1 Oct 08, 2008 (7:27 pm)
I forgot to ask you: how many miles on this car?      First thing to do is make sure the sparkplugs and air filter are OK. If the air filter is dirty and the plugs have the sharp edges of the center electrode worn off you need new ones. Probably not going to solve the problem but still needs to be done.    Another thing easy to check is the mass air sensor. Its located on top of the air filter housing, near the front of the car. There are two screws that hold it in and a electrical plug to disconnect. You remove it from the air filter housing, turn it upside down and look into it. There are fine wires located a few inches up inside it you can see. If these are clean its good. If they are dirty you need to clean them. If you break them while cleaning its $$$ for a new mass air sensor. If you Do find it dirty just put it back in and tell me and we'll talk about cleaning it. You dont have a K&N air filter do you? (which would be the likely cause of a dirty MAS.)    Finally its possible you have air in the clutch lines. The clutch of the ECHO is hydralically operated and just like brakes, if air gets in there it wont work properly. If the car is old you might take it to a dealer or mechanic you trust and have them bleed the clutch. If old sludgy dark brake fluid comes out of it could be the clutch isnt operating like it should. (ie you push the clutch in and it wont disengage) I bleed my clutch once a year to avoid problems! Replies to this message: marcu (Oct 09, 2008 5:13 am) marcu (Oct 09, 2008 4:24 pm) bammer59 (Oct 18, 2008 5:45 am)
#5452 of 5644 Re: curve [kneisl1] by marcu Oct 09, 2008 (5:13 am)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Oct 08, 2008 7:27 pm) the car (echo 2003) has presently 80,000km. I've bought it in 2007 with low millage (47500km) from a lady that was running the car very smoothly. The sparkplugs have been changed last spring and the air filter was checked and OK. I will check the mass air sensor today and try to come back to you before the end of the day . By the way what is a K&N air filter?
#5453 of 5644 KN by kneisl1 Oct 09, 2008 (12:34 pm)
Its a "high performance" filter which flows more air than the stock one. Its made of cotton and oiled to remove dirt. They are 95%efficient at removing dirt as opposed to the paper stock filter which is 99% efficient. The problem is the oil and gunk flow downstream to the fine wires on the mass air sensor cruding them up. A very bad idea to use on your ECHO!
#5454 of 5644 Re: curve [kneisl1] by marcu Oct 09, 2008 (4:24 pm)
Replying to: kneisl1 (Oct 08, 2008 7:27 pm) I'm driving my car at the garage next wednesday after the thanksgiving holiday to install a new battery and bleed the clutch, the mechanic will check the mass air sensor for the occasion and i will come back to you next wednesday evening.
#5455 of 5644 OK by kneisl1 Oct 09, 2008 (4:59 pm)
Good luck! BTW isnt it possible by carefull driving to keep the engine from conking out? Replies to this message: marcu (Oct 15, 2008 5:17 pm)
#5456 of 5644 will it make it? by bert9 Oct 12, 2008 (5:54 pm)
I have a 2001 Echo and need to make to southern cal from north carolina in as little as 4 days? Will it make it? Replies to this message: nippononly (Oct 12, 2008 9:10 pm)
#5457 of 5644 Re: will it make it? [bert9] by nippononly Oct 12, 2008 (9:10 pm)
Replying to: bert9 (Oct 12, 2008 5:54 pm) Mine's an '02 and I have no doubt mine would. I am at 106K miles, how many miles do you have on yours?

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