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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#5399 of 5820 Re: 215,528 miles on my 2001. Anybody have more? [meechity]
Apr 21, 2008 (11:52 am)
That is seriously lousy mileage for an Echo. I would suspect that something is actually wrong with it, but if that has been the mileage for a long time, then it is probably just your driving pattern and habits. For instance, consistent 80-mph-running on the highway will knock your long-term average down by several points. So will lots of short trips in town, espcecially if you have cold winters where you are.
And if you have an automatic, it has become apparent to me from reading here that the Echo autos do significantly worse for gas mileage than the stick shifts do.
My long-term average is 41 mpg, an average which now covers about 40K miles. I obey speed limits, exceeding them only to pass. I don't execute jackrabbit starts, I keep the car tuned up and the tires inflated to Toyota's recommended pressure plus two psi. Apart from that I do nothing special. I am lucky in that I have a commute that rarely includes stop-and-go, and is only 5 miles long.
Having owned the Echo for a few years now, I look around and am really disgusted at the lousy choices we have for new cars that are fuel-efficient. My Echo was designed to its spec more than eight years ago, and in that almost-decade no-one has been able to beat its fuel economy with a gas-only powertrain. In fact in California, I don't even have diesel choices, so that leaves me with just two to pick from: the Civic and Prius hybrids. And even they only average 5-7 points better than the Echo I already own, and cost twice what it did.
I sure hope the next 8 years see a LOT more automakers taking fuel economy seriously.
Apr 21, 2008 (1:47 pm)
meechity I would have a compression check done on the engine. You can buy a gauge yourself just get one that will fit into the rather deep sparkplug wells on the ECHO engine. I have to believe you need a valve job on that engine. If not that, something is seriously wrong!
#5401 of 5820 What does ECHO stand for?
Apr 30, 2008 (2:33 am)
Expensive Combustion = Hybrid Option?
#5402 of 5820 Re: What does ECHO stand for? [babyboomer]
Apr 30, 2008 (1:10 pm)
Excellent Choice Humble Owner
#5403 of 5820 Re: What does ECHO stand for? [babyboomer]
May 01, 2008 (5:20 am)
Every Consumer Has Options
May 29, 2008 (4:28 pm)
What if Toyota had made an ECHO Hybrid?
#5405 of 5820 Re: What if ... [babyboomer]
May 29, 2008 (5:25 pm)
They did - it was called the (first generation) Prius. Same platform, pretty much the same chassis, same engine block with a different head for lean running.
The funny thing was that with the primitive state of hybrid technology in 1997, the Echo when it arrived in 2000 could often match the fuel economy of the Prius! Of course, the Prius had a weight disadvantage with the battery pack and whatnot, and the Prius had a lot more standard and optional equipment.
And with its engine shutdown feature, it would beat the Echo for gas mileage if one's driving was mostly in the city or stop and go traffic.
#5406 of 5820 Thinking of buying an Echo with 147k
Jun 03, 2008 (7:38 pm)
#5407 of 5820 Thinking of buying an Echo with 147k
Jun 03, 2008 (7:45 pm)
Sorry folks, my first post and I hit 'enter' when I wanted to skip down to write the message. Anyway, here's my plight. I've always liked the Echo and of course, I want the fuel economy. My husband drives a 2005 Prius and it's been a great car. Now my daughter is looking for a first car. There is a 1 owner 2000 Echo for sale at a reasonable price but it has 147,000 miles on it. Am I foolish to consider it? I've checked the Carfax and it's clean. How many of you have Echos still going strong after that mileage and do you have a lot of maintenance and trouble with you car? I'd love as much feedback as soon as possible. Thanks.
#5408 of 5820 Re: Thinking of buying an Echo with 147k [santeemama]
Jun 04, 2008 (6:39 am)
Please provide a little more info - auto or manual, does it have repair/maintenance records, who maintained, where was it driven, lots of short trips or long ones, etc.