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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
#5202 of 5822 Re: ECHO uh oh [lynnann1]
Jan 19, 2007 (7:54 am)
Hello, i am 18 and I have an 02 toyota echo, and its green. Over the summer I let my mother use the car to go to work for about a month, untill my parents found another car. Well one day she was driving along and at an intersection she was t-boned in the drivers side by a 2005 dodge caravan. Put her in a 360. She was ok. the car held up very good. total damage was $2500 she was at home for about 2wks because She has back problems so it made it worse. But she is ok, and the car never crushed inside the car. so this car is very safe I think. I love my little echo.
Jan 19, 2007 (8:17 am)
Is the ECHO repaired and back on the road?
#5204 of 5822 Re: mother [kneisl1]
Jan 19, 2007 (7:50 pm)
Yes it has. It took about a week for the place to fix it. It also needed a new wheel alignment in the front, because of the spin. they had to basicly melt the rear drivers side tire wheel well to bend it back it too shape. Because it was crushed. And It needed a new wheel cover. She told me thank god for the seltbelt becuase it was the only thing that kept her in place while in the spin. its still parked in the driveway. I runs great and still looks great.
Jan 22, 2007 (3:40 am)
Today I drove my ECHO with its new Khumho 758 tires in the snow for the first time. What an improvement! With the Bridgestone Potenzas the car was very prone to swap ends and had terrible traction. Tire Rack said these tires were one of the two or three best in snow and they appear to be right on the money. Havnt had them in deep snow yet but arly results are encouraging.
Jan 22, 2007 (8:36 am)
about putting the TRD lowering springs and matched shocks on my '02. I keep thinking it is such a light nimble car, with great traction (running rather boring Toyo Spectrums, but they are very good at sticking to the road) and quick accurate steering response, it is a shame the car doesn't have the stock suspension to match.
I am going to take the first step this week and find out parts and labor costs. If it isn't too much, I may go ahead in the next few months. I also in the future want to get a set of the factory 15" alloys for the new Yaris and stick 'em on there to replace the generic 14" steelies mine has.
TRD also has a clutch pack for this model, to replace the super-light stock clutch. That's a long-term possibility, although I wouldn't do that until the car had at least 100K miles. The rims will probably wait until at least 100K too, so I can use up most of the tires that are on there now.
One step at a time. The only thing that seems urgent for the time being is the suspension.
Jan 23, 2007 (10:53 pm)
So retail on the TRD suspension lowering kit for the '00-'03 Echo is just over $1000, and includes the springs and a set of matched shocks/struts. And what with the age of this model and the reorgnization of TRD last year, they are just about gone. I have the parts lady at my local dealership checking on one that came up in the computer as being in stock in Massachusetts. It seems they are gone on-line - I have been checking all evening. A year ago when I looked, they were still around, but TRD doesn't support models for long after they have dropped off the market.
There are some aftermarket kits (Eibach makes one) but I want to go with TRD for the warranty and because they do the best job of modifying Toyotas, in my experience.
The dealer wants $550 to install it and do the alignment, and if they do it the whole thing will have a 1-year parts and labor warranty.
If she gets back to me tomorrow and says they have it, and it's not just a computer glitch, I think I will go ahead. I am not trying to turn the car into a sportster, but rather just to bring the suspension up from "seriously floppy" to "decent". This car is great in so many other ways, it's a shame Toyota decided to go so lame with the stock suspension.
TRD also used to make a clutch kit for this car, and that is also disappearing because of the discontinuance of the Echo. However, they do have one for the xA, which is virtually identical in terms of powertrain, so I wonder if it would fit.
I wouldn't do anything about the clutch until it failed, which might be (hopefully) a few years out yet (just coming up on 80K miles).
The next thing I want to do is put some of the factory 15" alloys from the Yaris on my car, with some 185 tires, or maybe even 195s. I figure the cost of a set of four rims will run up near $800 or $900, so that's at least a year out (as is the necessity of replacing the tires).
Jan 24, 2007 (3:32 am)
A clutch could last decades if driven sanely. The one on my 74 Beetle went over 250,000 miles (granted it was all highway commute miles) and was still good when the car was scraped. I put 153,000 miles on the one in my 79 240D and it was still origional when I sold the car in 2000.
You might want to take into consideration the fact that the car might be nearing the end of its economical service life by the time you do all these mods!
#5209 of 5822 Re: clutch [kneisl1]
Jan 24, 2007 (7:03 am)
Oh yes absolutely. It is at 80K now, and if I go ahead with the TRD suspension I will be betting on it making it to at least 180K.
I will do the rims next time it needs tires (or maybe a little before), which will be 100-120K. Again, I am hoping that mileage is NOWHERE NEAR the end of its service life.
As for the clutch, the plain and simple truth is that if it lasts as long as I hope it will, by the time it needs replacement, the TRD clutch kit will no longer be available anyway. If it needed a clutch before 150K, I would probably replace it with OE parts. If I get beyond that mileage and the clutch begins to wear out, knowing me I will probably just sell the car and get something new.
Jan 25, 2007 (8:40 am)
Well, that last TRD suspension kit was a ghost, it wasn't really in stock at the dealer that said they had one. I guess I won't be lowering the car. My local dealer is looking into getting an Eibach kit for me, which would be several hundred dollars cheaper, but the whole reason I wanted the TRD was because their kits usually have a modicum of street comfort left in them, where knowing Eibach that kit will be crashy and hard, like driving on rocks when I drive down the street. It would have great handling I am sure, but I am looking for a more balanced package. Plus TRD stuff carries the full 1-year warranty parts and labor. And it's designed specifically for the Echo, where the aftermarket kits are designed for a whole big group of models, and then just adjusted slightly for mounting points for each individual model. I am sure there are no models the Eibach kit is made for that have as short a wheelbase as the Echo, which is a crucial element to consider when designing suspension for it.
I will probably still go ahead with the larger factory alloys for the Yaris and larger tires next time the tires need replacing. I have to find a way to fill up that cavernous wheel well with more than just tire.
#5211 of 5822 more snow, more go
Feb 07, 2007 (3:38 am)
We're having more snow in NJ. More chances to try out the tires I bought to replace the Bridgestone Potenzas. Those would be Khumho 758s. Even though I have them only on the front wheels, the difference is noticeable. How Toyota ever sold this car with such terrible tires in snow is amazing.