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Toyota ECHO, Sedan
Jul 17, 2006 (6:46 am)
I have found my first dislike about the Echo. This begins the long slippery slope down to a trade for something else (I am a card-carrying CCBA member! ).
I guess that unlike almost every Toyota, INCLUDING the not-much-more-expensive Corolla, the Echo does NOT have UV-blocking glass? I noticed that a yellow card I have sitting in the car in the little box on the dash (a discount card for a car wash) totally faded out in a matter of weeks, because of the sun. Good thing my car has so many hues of gray inside, so that if things fade unevenly it won't be very noticeable. But I shudder to think of the amount of sun exposure I am getting while I drive, in that case.
In a lot of ways (excluding mechanical), the Echo is a bit of a throw-back to cars from 20 years ago, and those are mostly ways I like. This one is not. I thought all the cars had UV-blocking glass these days. I remember up until around 2000, Toyota Monroney stickers on some models even listed it as a feature and I would always think "geez, they are still listing that? It's standard on every car these days". Apparently not. :-/
Jul 17, 2006 (7:39 am)
So....what car are you going to find that gets 40 mpg? I would do a little research while you are on that long slippery slope about the UV tint or lack of. Perhaps it can be added...
Heres a test you can do. Find someone with transitions type self darkening glasses. If the glasses dont go dark in your ECHO in bright sunlight its because the windshield is stopping the UV.
Jul 17, 2006 (12:15 pm)
well, the Yaris has it.
And the Fit.
My eye is always caught by the latest new, glittery car. Both of those will probably get me close to 40 mpg the way I drive.
Retrofitting the car would be enormously expensive. It is the actual glass itself that is tinted all through to absorb UV rays, so we are talking what, at least $500 worth of glass all around? Plus labor costs? Nah, not doing that.
We are just having an especially bright summer, that's all. I live near San Francisco, and normally the fog blocks the sun about half the day in the summer. But this year the nation has had all these heat waves, and around here most days have dawned clear and bright!
Anyway, I am a consummate CCBA'er. The Echo did pretty good going more than six months before I found anything I disliked. And it isn't going anywhere any time soon. I am thinking 18 more months...
#5051 of 5822 Re: Towing Capacity [babyboomer]
Jul 17, 2006 (3:56 pm)
I believe the ECHO's owners manuel do not recommend towing, but if you look at Toyota's sites in Europe, the Yaris (same car) can tow guite a lot even with a smaller motor. Go figure.
Jul 17, 2006 (5:41 pm)
Probably some liability issue they are trying to cover their ass on. FWD cars generally arent recommended for towing as they can lose traction easily. However, in my experience the ECHO will tow 500 lbs like its not even there. If one is cautions and conservative Im sure its capable of towing 1000 lbs under the right conditions. You better be smart about it though.
#5053 of 5822 Re: well [nippononly]
Jul 18, 2006 (3:07 am)
Windows typically block most (90%) UVB but not much of UVA (10%). You can get an aftermarket window tinting that blocks most of UVA but you might have to be persistent to get the action spectrum for blocking from 320-400 nm as most installers will not have a clue and they do not commonly publish this detailed but critical info in their standard product lit.
This will have the added bonus of preventing most skin sags that people typically associate with the aging process. Very little is actually due to aging: up to 90% of it is from UVA (sags, loss of elasticity dark and light pigmentation problems) superposed on UVB exposure (wrinkles, redness).
#5054 of 5822 recall of engine part
Jul 19, 2006 (6:22 am)
I read an article pertaining to a recall of the Echo/Yaris. Has anyone seen this , and have more information about it?
What years echo are being recalled, etc.
Also, I tow a 12' jon boat. Keep speed under 70 and tongue weight under 500 lbs. U-haul did entire installation for 100 bucks. Their books rate echo to tow 500 lbs. max
Jul 19, 2006 (6:47 am)
the affected cars (some 24,000 Yaris and Echos) were all built in 2001. If yours was built that year, you may want to call Toyota customer service and ask if yours is one of the affected ones.
The fact that they included Yaris models makes me think the affected cars may be partly or mostly Canadian ones.
#5056 of 5822 Re: apparently [nippononly]
Jul 19, 2006 (4:33 pm)
Thanks! My car is a 2001. I will call tomorrow and post the results. Figures Oh well i will assume Toyota will cover the cost?
#5057 of 5822 Re: apparently [rep5858]
Jul 20, 2006 (7:37 am)
Yes, this is an official recall, which means all repairs will be covered for free. If your car is actually one of the affected ones, I would love to know what they do when you get your car repaired. The description on the AP wire was so vague, it left me wondering what the heck the actual affected part is. ("An oil seal in the engine could blow, allowing oil to leak onto xxxxxx and cause the engine to stop" - what the heck does that mean? Where would an internal oil leak cause the engine to stop? Do they mean a catastrophic loss of oil pressure as a result of the oil seal failure, and if so, what seal could fail that would cause that?)